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Kellie-Jay Keen (AKA Posie Parker) appreciation thread

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TotallyTERF · 25/10/2022 18:35

I just love this woman! She undoubtedly has the Midas touch when it comes to marketing and publicity.

I have been to several of her events over the years, and she has time for each and every woman who comes to see her.

Any other fans here?

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Helleofabore · 14/01/2023 09:23

I laugh when posts such as “You don't 'alf post a load of pompous twaddle” pop up. Because either they haven’t worked out that the FWR regulars see the pattern of posting or they think that this pattern will somehow be convincing to anyone new reading. Even just the few hours the post lasts.

Even posters who are regularly disagreeing with us must by now recognise the pattern and now avoid agreeing with these posts after being caught a few times in the past.

Crack on Lunar. And welcome to Mumsnet!

FOJN · 14/01/2023 09:23

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Message deleted by MNHQ. Sockpuppeting previously banned poster.

Forensic dissection of a smear campaign = pompous?

Hello only missed one bit; resort to insults when you have no argument.

I get it now - basically loads of you lot fancy her!

Are we supposed to be offended by the suggestion we're all lesbians? I can't oblige I'm afraid, I'm not a lesbian and not offended by anyone thinking I might be because I'm not homophobic.

Datun · 14/01/2023 09:32

FOJN · 14/01/2023 09:23

Forensic dissection of a smear campaign = pompous?

Hello only missed one bit; resort to insults when you have no argument.

I get it now - basically loads of you lot fancy her!

Are we supposed to be offended by the suggestion we're all lesbians? I can't oblige I'm afraid, I'm not a lesbian and not offended by anyone thinking I might be because I'm not homophobic.

I know, right! They're incapable of reading a room.

MiladeeBeserko · 14/01/2023 09:34

Posie doesn't half get up TRA noses eh?

Datun · 14/01/2023 09:41

Helleofabore · 14/01/2023 09:23

I laugh when posts such as “You don't 'alf post a load of pompous twaddle” pop up. Because either they haven’t worked out that the FWR regulars see the pattern of posting or they think that this pattern will somehow be convincing to anyone new reading. Even just the few hours the post lasts.

Even posters who are regularly disagreeing with us must by now recognise the pattern and now avoid agreeing with these posts after being caught a few times in the past.

Crack on Lunar. And welcome to Mumsnet!

You drive them mad Helle. A woman who forensically dissects an argument, will read all their dubious links and analyse them in detail, can detect the unmistakable whiff of misogyny at fifty paces and has a near photographic memory.

All they have left is insults.

SinnerBoy · 14/01/2023 10:01

That's a concise summary, @Helleofabore I wonder what rubbish EOL will write next?

RufusthefIoraImissingreindeer · 14/01/2023 10:19

I like helleofabores posts

Sometimes I read a post, think helleofabore is going to take that apart and then i just sit and wait for helles take down...sometimes I get myself a coffee

It's a bit like lass did back in the day...someone mention prostitution (or trousers being more comfortable than skirts) and you could pretty much count down from 10 and she'd be there

Or ...the name escapes me, she had a baby and left ...someone mentioning chromosomes and 5, 4 ,3 ,2 ,1 she was there with her incredible scientific mind

(Works with lots of posters I don't agree with as well 😀)

DialSquare · 14/01/2023 10:36

For all the supposed pompous twaddle Helle posts, not one of the genderists can dispute her posts. They just follow up with unsubstantiated claims, mantras and insults.

Helleofabore · 14/01/2023 10:37

Thank you.

I say while hiding in embarrassment because I only do it for my own selfish need of finding truth in the mess we find ourselves in. And that, I know, is what so many of us seek. The truth and the facts without the shaming and the emotional manipulation!

Now, I am off to see what KJK is up to. This weekend is the event where the anarchists have sent out notifications for the counter protest. I wish all those attending safety while enjoying the company of those who have come to listen to the amazing women who speak.

Maybe we will have posters come through with who are KJK’s handlers (they obviously have never met KJ if they honestly believe she is ‘handled’) and who those problematic people are she ‘associates’ with.

Helleofabore · 14/01/2023 10:39

And I am embarrassed because so many of you do the same thing as me.

Datun · 14/01/2023 10:41

RufusthefIoraImissingreindeer · 14/01/2023 10:19

I like helleofabores posts

Sometimes I read a post, think helleofabore is going to take that apart and then i just sit and wait for helles take down...sometimes I get myself a coffee

It's a bit like lass did back in the day...someone mention prostitution (or trousers being more comfortable than skirts) and you could pretty much count down from 10 and she'd be there

Or ...the name escapes me, she had a baby and left ...someone mentioning chromosomes and 5, 4 ,3 ,2 ,1 she was there with her incredible scientific mind

(Works with lots of posters I don't agree with as well 😀)

Yes, was it bowl of babelfish or something? We called her baby ramekin.

Sometimes I read a post, think helleofabore is going to take that apart and then i just sit and wait for helles take down...sometimes I get myself a coffee

Yep 😁

RufusthefIoraImissingreindeer · 14/01/2023 10:42

helle

I'd do a flowers emoji but some random will probably say I fancy you 😉

RufusthefIoraImissingreindeer · 14/01/2023 10:43

Yes, was it bowl of babelfish or something? We called her baby ramekin

Yes that's it....could not remember the ramekin bit 😀

EastLondonObserver · 15/01/2023 07:40

Wellies54 · 14/01/2023 08:55

Do you ever look back at history and think, how would I have reacted? For example, would I have been a suffragette, a suffragist or done nothing? It's easy to speculate and view ourselves in a positive light in regard to how brave or outspoken we would have been. Right now in the battle to preserve Women's Rights Kellie -Jay is one of those rare, brave people who puts thoughts into action and stands up for what is right knowing the sacrifice she is making, knowing that every horrible slur that could be thrown at her will be said repeatedly, knowing that everything she does will be twisted by TRAs. She is prepared to put her head above the parapet for all women and girls and take the hate. All she is doing is saying 'sex matters'. That's it. Nothing more, nothing sinister. I have faith that enough people with common sense will eventually wake up and see this but without KJK and the few other brave people like JKR and Graham Linehan who could easily sit back and say nothing, but choose to sacrifice so much, we would be sleep walking into the wholesale destruction of women's rights.

I think it’s more likely she’ll be remembered alongside Rotha Lintorn-Orman and Colonel Victor Barker.

SinnerBoy · 15/01/2023 08:54

That's just silly.

beastlyslumber · 15/01/2023 09:03

I fully expect there to be statues of her in capital cities! Along with JKR and other heroes.

TheClogLady · 15/01/2023 12:49

Colonel Victor Barker

Victor Barker the famous transgender fascist? Seems unlikely that Posie will be categorised alongside a transman…

Unless you are being a bit t**fy and you yourself are classifying Victor as a woman?

Kellie-Jay Keen (AKA Posie Parker) appreciation thread
ExiledElsie · 15/01/2023 13:50

or trousers being more comfortable than skirts

What response did that get?

Bosky · 16/01/2023 04:55

TheClogLady · 15/01/2023 12:49

Colonel Victor Barker

Victor Barker the famous transgender fascist? Seems unlikely that Posie will be categorised alongside a transman…

Unless you are being a bit t**fy and you yourself are classifying Victor as a woman?

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EastLondonObserver really is the gift that just keeps on giving!! 😂

I have probably missed some in this thread so apologies if full credit is not given.

There was the always-welcome reminder that the best argument ever for "Transwomen are Women" is "Because arm creases" courtesy of "Katie-from-Wales" 😂

Now, an introduction (at least to me) to the extraordinary "transgender fascist" Colonel Leslie Ivor Victor Gauntlett Bligh Barker, christened Lillias Irma Valerie Barker, adopter of numerous other aliases, un-earned military ranks and self-identified aristocratic titles.

Thank you so much TheClogLady for explaining who that person was! 💜

Following up that story took me down some fascinating rabbit-holes. I won't derail by detailing them all here.

One that is worth mentioning for contemporary relevance involves DH Lawrence.

DH Lawrence cited the fraudulent marriage between "Victor Barker" and Elfrida Haward when arguing that young women might avoid becoming victim to "sex by deception" if only they were to read "Lady Chatterley's Lover" at age 17!

He also suggests that "there are thousands of women today who might be so deceived, and go on being deceived". Mmmm . . . "might" doing a lot of heavy lifting there!

"When we read of the case of Colonel Barker, we see what is the matter. Colonel Barker was a woman who masqueraded as a man. The “Colonel" married a wife, and lived five years with her in "conjugal happiness”. And the poor wife thought all the time she was married normally and to a real husband. The revelation at the end is beyond all thought cruel for the poor woman. The situation is monstrous. Yet there are thousands of women today who might be so deceived, and go on being deceived. Why? Because they know nothing, they can’t think sexually at all; they are morons in this respect. It is better to give all girls this book, at the age of seventeen."

DH Lawrence, "A Propos Lady Chatterley's Lover", 1929
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(Whether Elfrida thought she was marrying a man or a woman is another matter altogether. Nobody knows for sure because both she and "Victor" changed their tune so many times.)

To return to the purpose of this Topic: I really appreciate Kellie-Jay Keen (AKA Posie Parker) travelling around the UK (and the rest of the world), simultaneously encouraging women to speak out in public and exposing the misogynistic mobs, who try to silence those women, as the real fascists.

Sunday 15 Jan she was in Newcastle upon Tyne. The speeches were as outstandingly informative and moving as ever. The raging protesters as ludicrous as ever.

Thankfully only one act of violence - the woman attacked was not harmed and she pinned her male assailant down in a bush until the police arrested him. 💪🙆

The police did a great job keeping the mob at a distance BTW. The attack happened after the event as everyone was leaving. Two men tried to wrench the beautiful banner she had made off her and pushed her onto the ground. Big mistake! 😂

The sound in the first video here is a bit sketchy but the second one is great!

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4713540-let-women-speak-2023-newcastle-london-glasgow-and-in-march-australia-and-new-zealand?reply=123112205

If you are on Twitter the hashtags are #LetWomenSpeakNewcastle and #LetWomenSpeak #Newcastle

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 16/01/2023 08:31

ExiledElsie · 15/01/2023 13:50

or trousers being more comfortable than skirts

What response did that get?

Quite a heated one…

undoubtedly some women find them more comfortable but lass especially so

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/01/2023 08:51

Or ...the name escapes me, she had a baby and left ...someone mentioning chromosomes and 5, 4 ,3 ,2 ,1 she was there with her incredible scientific mind

BowlofBabelfish was lovely, and razor sharp in dismantling genderist nonsense.

AlisonDonut · 16/01/2023 09:08

All these people that compare Posie to fascists seem to know an awful lot about fascism. And seem to like putting fascists back into the discussion, almost as if fascism is part and parcel of their daily interactions.

They all seem to know who these people are and when a 'fascist' appears for a selfie, they know all about them, as if they expect us to also know who all the fascists are. Almost like they know who all the current fascists are.

They are very fascist adjacent, more so than the average normie. Weird.

ArtixLynx · 16/01/2023 14:59

you're praising a women who seriously quoted Hitler and "Mein Kampf" yesterday.

Any thought of ever supporting that women was just lost. that is absolutely unacceptable on ANY fucking level. vile.

If you can't make your point without quoting one of the biggest murderers in history, then you've really lost the plot.

ArtixLynx · 16/01/2023 15:01

explicitly and publicly adopting the tactic that was used by the nazis to facilitate the holocaust is reprehensible.

ArtixLynx · 16/01/2023 15:02

and if you try and justify her clear and shocking antisemitism in this, you're as bad as she is.