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Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Appeal Tribunal hearing Thread 19

738 replies

ickky · 26/09/2022 17:24

Allison Bailey has tweeted her intention to appeal the Stonewall decision.

twitter.com/BluskyeAllison/status/1572133035335716865

The Tribunal started on 25th April, witness testimony concluded on the 26th May. Closing arguments for council was on the 20th June.

There was also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/allison-bailey-vs-stonewall-and-garden

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC )
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = Judge Goodman, Mr M. Reuby and Ms Darmas

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?
Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2
Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3
Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4
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Thread 15 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556803-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-15
Thread 16 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4557036-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-16
Thread 17 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4561850-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-17
Thread 18 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4574654-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-18

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

Allison Bailey's Witness Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Witness-Statement-of-Allison-Bailey.pdf
Supplementary Statement
allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/C-Supplementary-Witness-Statement.pdf
Closing Statement
allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/CLOSING-SUBMISSIONS-FINAL.pdf

The Reserved Judgement (forth one down)

www.gov.uk/employment-tribunal-decisions/ms-a-bailey-v-stonewall-equality-ltd-and-others-2202172-slash-2020

OP posts:
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LipbalmOrKnickers · 13/05/2024 13:29

Real names, broad location and reason for granting remote access.

GCITC · 13/05/2024 13:32

Names and reasons why we can not attend in person!

It's getting very official.

GCITC · 13/05/2024 13:34

I'm assuming another email will arrive with log in details?

Propertylover · 13/05/2024 13:34

I have received mine. I am glad they have made it formal.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 13/05/2024 13:34

Is that GDPR compliant?!

Pyjamagame · 13/05/2024 13:35

I've just received it and am not on the list but have now seen rather a lot of personal information. Written back to query why I have received lots of personal info on other people. . .

SidewaysOtter · 13/05/2024 13:35

NoBinturongsHereMate · 13/05/2024 13:34

Is that GDPR compliant?!

I certainly had no idea my name would be published on court documents. I emailed directly with the details posted here, and the only communication I had back from the EAT was an acknowledgment of my email. No warning!

Pyjamagame · 13/05/2024 13:37

So, just bear in mind, that people who applied and have not been granted access have also have been sent this order...

MarieDeGournay · 13/05/2024 13:38

Revealing real names, asking for justification for remote access, it's all feeling very very punitive to me...

GoodHeavens99 · 13/05/2024 13:39

Pyjamagame · 13/05/2024 13:37

So, just bear in mind, that people who applied and have not been granted access have also have been sent this order...

That's what has just occurred to me.

Don't they understand why we enjoy our anonymity??

Pyjamagame · 13/05/2024 13:39

What a fuck up.

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 13/05/2024 13:45

Yep. I'm in. Bit of a shock to see my name written on an official document but there we are.

AlisonDonut · 13/05/2024 13:48

I felt that asking for names was a bit 'activistic'...I doubt this is an 'error'.

Was the email sent blind copy or can you see everyone else it went to?

Pyjamagame · 13/05/2024 13:49

AlisonDonut · 13/05/2024 13:48

I felt that asking for names was a bit 'activistic'...I doubt this is an 'error'.

Was the email sent blind copy or can you see everyone else it went to?

Blind copy, which is something.

Pyjamagame · 13/05/2024 13:52

Just to prove I have it, in case of doubt, in the reasons I can give the following random data

  1. distance
  2. childcare commitments
  3. difficulties with travel
MissMaryBennett · 13/05/2024 13:53

They wouldn't ask for all those details if you turned up in person. So why when you want to observe online?

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 13/05/2024 13:53

Pyjamagame · 13/05/2024 13:35

I've just received it and am not on the list but have now seen rather a lot of personal information. Written back to query why I have received lots of personal info on other people. . .

That’s an absolutely appalling breach of confidentiality. Sending a sealed court order to people not party to the order?! Maybe one of the journalists or legal professionals named in this order would be interested in this fact…

i note the email came from an Admin Officer, which I interpret as not a particularly senior grade.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 13/05/2024 13:54

Do people observing in person have their names published?

GoodHeavens99 · 13/05/2024 13:55

NoBinturongsHereMate · 13/05/2024 13:54

Do people observing in person have their names published?

Nope.

Mmmnotsure · 13/05/2024 13:55

@GoodHeavens99
"Don't they understand why we enjoy our anonymity??"

Don't they understand why in very many cases we NEED our anonymity??

As a matter of personal safety, not being hounded out of employment, etc.

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 13/05/2024 13:56

IdisagreeMrHochhauser · 13/05/2024 13:45

Yep. I'm in. Bit of a shock to see my name written on an official document but there we are.

Yes I feel the same. Will probably change my username after this hearing, which is a shame as I’ve grown fond of it.

GoodHeavens99 · 13/05/2024 13:59

Mmmnotsure · 13/05/2024 13:55

@GoodHeavens99
"Don't they understand why we enjoy our anonymity??"

Don't they understand why in very many cases we NEED our anonymity??

As a matter of personal safety, not being hounded out of employment, etc.

Exactly.

Has the Judge been living under a rock??
The irony of the Claimant being Allison can't also have passed him by.

Mmmnotsure · 13/05/2024 14:02

@MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving
It is a lovely name. One of my favourites.

MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving · 13/05/2024 14:03

Pyjamagame · 13/05/2024 13:37

So, just bear in mind, that people who applied and have not been granted access have also have been sent this order...

The more I think about this the more angry I am. Having to provide our names and addresses and email addresses was intrusive enough but to be so careless with this information is negligent at best.

Would you mind @Propertylover if I also complained about this?

IAmOnTheList · 13/05/2024 14:05

Well I’m not happy about this at all. There’s identifying details on that order.

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