Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Appeal Tribunal hearing Thread 19

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Allison Bailey has tweeted her intention to appeal the Stonewall decision.

twitter.com/BluskyeAllison/status/1572133035335716865

The Tribunal started on 25th April, witness testimony concluded on the 26th May. Closing arguments for council was on the 20th June.

There was also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/allison-bailey-vs-stonewall-and-garden

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC )
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = Judge Goodman, Mr M. Reuby and Ms Darmas

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?
Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2
Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3
Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4
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Thread 15 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556803-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-15
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Thread 18 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4574654-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-18

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

Allison Bailey's Witness Statement

allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Witness-Statement-of-Allison-Bailey.pdf
Supplementary Statement
allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/C-Supplementary-Witness-Statement.pdf
Closing Statement
allisonbailey.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/CLOSING-SUBMISSIONS-FINAL.pdf

The Reserved Judgement (forth one down)

www.gov.uk/employment-tribunal-decisions/ms-a-bailey-v-stonewall-equality-ltd-and-others-2202172-slash-2020

@LiesDoNotBecomeUs @GeorgeOrwellsTurningGrave

After the unfortunate incident with the wren I thought it best to ask first about dogs. So I broached the idea of me borrowing a support dog.

Having now cleaned And bandaged my wounds I'm afraid I'll have to decline the offers of support dogs!

Puppies can be unpredictable @Boiledbeetle so I accept your considered response and will let her get back to the serious business of dissecting soft toys and eating dandelions.

Is that the correct plural of donkey then. I've never been sure. Always worried about committing some linguistic faux pas, like saying 'hyperbole' or 'beatified' out loud for the first time.

@Boiledbeetle - you may not be supported but it sounds as if you are jealously guarded!

The pup has yet to meet any living creature impossible to win over -with oblivious love and joy.

I'd hate that faith in the world to be clawed away - so thank you for your precautions and I hope the wounds heal quickly.

I misread that as disrespecting soft toys and thought 'ergh!'

Go for it Allison. Now the the time to be heard

While I doubt it can be used as direct evidence, surely the fact that MPs and MSPs have had to publicly retract comments on Cass - and have explicitly said they based their initial incorrect remarks on a bad Stonewall briefing - helps lean things in Alsion's favour.

My mind is racing @Waitwhat23 😳 but then, I've been on these boards long enough.

Agree with @NoBinturongsHereMate - all power to her elbow.

Yes - power to Allison. She is brave to continue to face the misery caused by oddly motivated activists. I understand why Cass stepped back from working on the next stage of the report (adults) though she has done such careful work for children.

Stonewall can't be allowed to get away with things that those they have 'advised' so strongly are being caught out on.

Totally.
And since MPs and MSPs spoke in their parliaments framing the Cass Report findings according to Stonewall's briefing, it's perfectly credible that Garden Court Chambers did Stonewall's bidding also.

This has definitely been my thinking. Stonewall can't say they haven't had that level of power of influence. The more it gets harder for Stonewall to deny this, the harder is to say there isn't an issue. Legal liability remains where it is, I guess, but it does make it a more interesting case.

Yes, Dawn Butler MP is recorded in Hansard as saying that she was influenced by a Stonewall briefing - a briefing she relied on - into misleading the House.

Misleading parliament, ffs.

And then Stonewall said in response that it would be re-contacting its MPs' list! What fecking MPs' list??!

Lil ol' Stonewall my arse. It's shown in the last few days to an agog public that it's a hugely influential political lobbying group whose area of operations includes the Houses of Parliament. Thank you, Dawn Butler, for getting that put on the record so irrevocably.

Good lord, that’s just one more thing to worry about, isn’t it? I could have been misgendering it all these years and I would have been oblivious to the hate crime I was committing.

Let's just hope it’s not a Scottish hippo or I’m really fucked if it decides to make a complaint.

🔔 This is your one week reminder 🔔

Wow! The service on Mumsnet is marvellous!

Thank you @PoshCoffee

I have been looking and cannot find the listing. It isn't listed under the normal ET's.

I have found this website, but it only updates on the Friday for the following week. I will keep looking.

https://www.judiciary.uk/courts-and-tribunals/tribunals/employment-appeal-tribunal/

Thank you Ickky.

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Should we all get support chickens instead because they certainly seem to be coming home to roost.

I’ve just checked Allison’s website and it definitely says “My appeal against them is to be heard on 14 and 15 May 2024 at the Employment Appeal Tribunal”

Theres no contact details on the website to clarify and I don’t believe AB uses Twitter anymore. It’s a mystery.

She's just sent an email out confirming the 14th/15th May. It looks like she is waiting to find out if Tribunal Tweets can live tweet.

Alison if you are reading - the very, very best of luck.

Marking place.

Just got the email from Allison as well, have requested a link if one is available.

I've emailed the London EAT, I will let you know if they reply.

Thank you