Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 16

[ickky]

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Thread 14 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556407-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-14

Thread 15 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556803-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-15

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, 25 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Cathryn McGahey - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - Head clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing (25 May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC (25 May)
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge (26 May)
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers (26 May)

To Come

Closing arguments for AB, GCC, and SW (20 June)

😂😂😂

If anyone on here has any drawing skills, it is your duty to add the support wren. Preferably poking out of BC's beard.

I wish they'd send an e-mail telling you which tweet it was and why. I can't remember posting anything particularly unkind and am now scouring what I am pleased to think of as my memory for what I wrote.

I like to think of my biscuit porn as being "niche" 😁

<consumed with envy>

If I had my iPad with me I would totally add the support wren. Alas, it shall have to be someone else!

Just popping in to say that even though I haven't contributed to the threads (because no MN or tribunal at work so I could only catch up in the evening) I've enjoyed reading them immensely, but been utterly horrified by some of the performances. SW throwing clearly inadequate people under the bus, QCs with less professional curiosity than a wren, human rights barristers who don't apparently care about human rights...what an utter shitshow.

Thank you Allison, for standing up to these clowns.

@Bundlephobia you might well be onto something there.

Honestly I'm so tired of trying to have the argument with him about how important this is. He just doesn't see it. (male privilege).

I remember in about 2017 by male colleagues [all who have male children] getting confused over sex and gender.

I explained it thus:
Sex is knowing that none of you could get pregnant and give birth to your children, that only your female wives/girlfriends could do that bit. [Also that I'm the only female in the team].
Gender is feeling weird should your son want to do ballet.

They got it immediately.

I am so proud of us! <preens>

@awkwardoldlady - you were truly inspired! 👌<chef's kiss>

To save you further memory-scouring, it was the one where you referred to India Willoughby as ‘he’.

Actually, thinking about it Border is a very apposite brand.

It's great seeing Mumsnet in the wild.

Ah! Thank you - I'd forgotten all about that one.

Biology eh? Transphobic as hell.

That’s ok. I feel I should be transparent and be clear it was me that reported it.

Thanks for your reply @ickky about 20th June login etc. I'll put in my diary to check after 10th June and post here if there's any info.

I don't think our legal friend from the case, the BundleGate One, can enjoy social media interactions about it until after the 20th June 2022, as that is when the hearing formally concludes.

Then there is the wait for the formal determination, so the case (I presume) is still technically ongoing until then - possibly September(ish)?

Fair enough.

I don't feel that we should buy into pronouns, but I am aware that may people consider it a courtesy to use them.

*many people, not may

That’s ok. I feel I should be transparent and be clear it was me that reported it.

So it is fine to say 'I reported you for calling Willoughby a he' but not to say 'he'.

Why is it so bad to say 'he' and not to say 'you're not allowed to call IW he'?

Which do you think gives more exposure to what it is we aren't allowed to say?

Do you people ever think it through?

Fair enough.

I don't feel that we should buy into pronouns, but I am aware that many people consider it a courtesy to use them.

I assume by “buy into pronouns” you mean use people’s preferred pronouns? I think it’s important, but I know many here feel differently.

And the Kirrin one, @Helen8220 ?

Dear me!

Is that another message of yours that was reported? I don’t know about that, wasn’t me (at least not that I recall) .

Take it outside, eh? This is a nice thread.

😂sorry to barge in and interrupt the biscuit-related frivolity!

How much longer can the Maya verdict BE??