Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 14

[ickky]

The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:

AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Thread 13 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4556235-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-13

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to concluded on 25th May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC

To come:

Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers

I'm gulping at the thought of that.

We aren't in an artificial algorithm led echo chamber.

It's one, among many reasons, to resist like buttons, whether the tallies are public or not.

Helen Joyce joined Helen Staniland for a Wine with Women chat. They covered a wide range of topics including what it's been like for HJ to try and type up notes about the various testimonies when she's having to push her jaw out of the way of her typing hands as she's listening. (HJ is writing it up for Sex Matters and her own substack.)

HJ has opinions on the content of the testimonies so far, and the quality of the witnesses, and how well (or not) they understand the role they're expected to play as a witness.

@EmbarrassingHadrosaurus I've made my peace with it now, but yeah much gulping went on at my end as well!

@EmbarrassingHadrosaurus oh something to watch as I'm not sleeping any time soon! Thanks. Although I might make a cocoa and try watching the video in bed just in the off chance I nod off!

Also I see your dolphins link had been travelling this evening!

Hello, thanks so much for these threads, I’m joining you after lurking on and off for a while.

I’m hoping to watch live tomorrow at 9am but only emailed the tribunal for access an hour or so ago (‘cos I’m organised like that… 😣)
I’ve received an automated email acknowledging my request so fingers crossed.

I’m unwell and going through a stressful time at the moment do my sleeping pattern is up the wazoo. Going to try and sleep now to be ready for morning proceedings!

Gutted to be working until 10:30 UK time so will miss the first hour and a half of MB testimony. I'll have my mobile and will be attempting to sneak a peek at TT and here between hymns (church chorister). I'm sure the big man will forgive me.

@Boiledbeetle - did your tribunal find in your favour, and did you get the £125k back?

A few years ago, I negotiated over what I considered an Equality Act breach, and at the time felt prepared to take it to court if necessary. Thankfully, it wasn't necessary. I'm not sure I would dare now, having seen AB's tribunal!

But I'm so grateful for people like AB who do take it to court when it is necessary. I finally decided to raise my own Equality issue after seeing a successful Equality Act ruling on the news. It's a scary thing to do (fear of consequences, reputational impact, social conditioning to be a 'good girl') - but I remember seeing the news and thinking 'if she can find the courage to do this - despite knowing it would be on the news (she was famous, unlike me!) - then so can I'.

AB's tribunal will truly benefit so many women - not just the awareness raising about Gender Ideology and Stonewall (which is important) but by laying the path so others can challenge and benefit from the Equality Act without having to go to court themselves. She'll never know these women, but there will be many. So a huge thank you to the brave woman who helped me find my own courage when I needed it and a huge thank you to AB

Over here, my ironing pile has disappeared - angry ironing is my new thing

The bingo hall will be packed out today.

Special prizes for:

most marginalised
mainstream LGBT civil rights organisation
t*rf is not a slur
apartheid

@TheBiologyStupid Thank you for the allusions to some of my most loved Anne McCaffrey books!

Thank you, @ickky and every last one of you for your commentary!

@JustWaking "did your tribunal find in your favour, and did you get the £125k back?"

Morning justwaking. Good news my tribunal, although not an employment one, did find in my favour. Yay. Bad news...No I didn't get the £125K back! Booo!

Stupid cat woke me before 6, 2 hours earlier than necessary. SO have caught up with this thread and now placemarking for later.

2 hour alarm ladies and gentlemen. The elusive MB will be on our screens in 2 hours.

2 hour alarm ladies and gentlemen. The elusive MB will be on our screens in 2 hours.

So important it posted it twice!

So important it posted it twice!

Oh no mumsnet don't! Not today

Can anyone give me the idiots guide to why evidence from MB is so exciting please? I’m clearly missing something!

@Rainbowunicorn I thought CM sounded pleased with herself that she was restricting herself to the very narrow view of not having found any evidence that the cotton ceiling workshop contained actual coercion. She really seemed to pride herself on focusing on the academic discipline of not being drawn into any wider thought or emotion. Not like those other girls...

I am reading as fast as I can between actual real life and am still only halfway through the last thread. So I've jumped to here to placemark and say again this whole thing is just beautiful. And the movie or 10 (15) part series will be unmissable.
Also allison, ovaries of titanium.
Allison maybe should think of writing a book too, it'd be a real bestseller.

As you were, I'm off back to the last thread, see you maybe in a thread or 3.

Because she gave the directions @Motorina. She's the one person who really can't convincingly say she's never heard of mermaids, didn't really understand there was any conflict of rights, didn't understand TERF is a slur.

So all the it was late/I was busy/I don't remember/ the dog ate my homework lines are not credible from her.

That's my pov anyway.

@Motorina MB didn't just drink gallons and gallons of Kool aid. She mixed batches to drink and handed them round whilst insisting it was the only drink that could ever pass their lips again. Basically

MB solicited complaints about AB from organisations she was involved with.

Gotcha thank you

MB features in the article:

www.counselmagazine.co.uk/articles/bar-to-bench-moving-on-up

On the basis of this article she sounds pretty good - even-handed, full of empathy and from the opposite of the private school/ oxbridge entitled men we have seen so many of.

Wonder how she got so Stonewashed?