Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 12

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)

To come:

Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.

@Birdsweepsin With the hailstones as a percussive accompaniment.

CC says the clerks talk about matters of controversy in Chambers.
(Then looks a little uncomfortable or is that me reading too much into it?)

I thought that too. I had Kermit in my head. It ain't easy being Green.

What a lovely voice, he should do sleep tapes. Very soporific.

I submit that the witness is prejudiced towards heathens, Madam.

Dancing across the banked desks, heading footballs to each other and definitely NOT mime-gossiping.

I'm with you on the lack of conspiracy tabbycatstripy. That's not to say that things didn't change, as shown by the drop in income, but I'm not convinced it must have been deleterious clerking and couldn't have been anything else.

I think the clerks take exception to the idea that work comes to the barristers without their involvement.

(Cue an upbeat musical number)

Mariah Carey? And some synchronised swimming choregraphy?

😂

I think the main detriments to her occurred through their approach to the tweets, the complaint and then the victimisation element. And I think those are very real.

I don't know if this is due to my own ingrained prejudices but the fact that he took the oath made me instantly trust him more than the others.

I think there's some rationality to this, and I say this as someone who would not have taken the oath myself. All the worst people in this case have been hardcore Woke, taking the oath suggests he isn't that.

All the worst people in this case have been hardcore Woke, taking the oath suggests he isn't that.

Not all atheists...

(But I must confess last few years have not been a good showing).

My ability to multi task is failing and I have had to log out to work. Thank you to all keeping the commentary going.

Compare and contrast with TW - CC is (so far) calm and quite constructive in his comments. Good examples in being able to disagree with BC without sounding personally outraged. Far more credible.

Although these minutiae of how clerking works in GCC is more mundane than the morning's session. TW was one breath away from "you can't handle the truth".

Have to laugh at EJ forgetting to turn her phone off 😬

It's not in our (clerks') interests to have any gaps in any barrister's diary

Yes. I find what CC is saying believable. I think he expected his junior Clarks do do a job, and for whatever reason they didn't do it. It wouldn't surprise me if Luke's former relationship with MB plus the office gossip and allegations of transphobia hindered the work she got. I doubt very much there was any direct instruction to withhold work.

Yes. That is telling.

First question CC is struggling with. Doesn't want to agree that the WTF report shows that how a person is regarded effects their work.

I'm not really sure I understand CC's answer.

Here we go "We are a chambers committed to equality for all". Women in chambers state that's not their experience, man dismisses them.

AH interruption

EJ's phone is startling my support cats 😂

Interpretation:
equality for all (except women)
human rights for all (except women)

A Bloomberg article about the world of clerks:

www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-05-23/the-exquisitely-english-and-amazingly-lucrative-world-of-london-clerks

One thing it reminded me about was that until recently, a senior clerk's income would often be a surprising chunk of the earnings of the barristers of the chambers.