Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 12

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:

Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)

To come:

Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to continue on 25th May)
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers
Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.

Aargh, got to go and collect DS2, but I like this witness. And despite his bio actually mentioning football, it seems he's one of the few not trying to shoehorn it in. He seems calm and direct, and he's one of the few I believe when he says he likes AB.

Not all atheists...

Some atheists have found a religion in gender ideology. No need to believe in God, but it still provides a soul / self which transcends the physical body.

Supposed to fill in the form stating why barristers have been allocated cases, but they are too busy to do this, in spite of this being a recommendation in the sexism report?

Is he beginning to get a bit surly? Or is it just me?

Woah, this sounds important. They're supposed to keep records of who's been recommended for each case following the previous evidence of indirect sex discrimination in chambers, and they haven't been keeping them?

Or have they been keeping them? He says "we could pull it down from the fields." It's not in evidence is it?

More bundle problems!

I didn’t see those records in the bundle. That’s not to say they weren’t there.

Yes, testiness creeping in now

It's been going off every day pretty much. Either she or the rest of the polycule have lots of friends (see earlier threads for the in-joke reference).

CM, Vice Chair of the Bar Council Ethics Committee ... compared transwomen overcoming lesbians' refusal to have sex with them, with Black people overcoming the apartheid regime in South Africa

Words fail me.

If their record keeping re: AB has been sloppy, this might be a problem.

For the chambers, yes. They have to prove they weren't discriminating surely?

He doesn't seem to know what the fields mean in this records system. Is, "who knows?" an appropriate answer?

'Who knows?' Isn't he supposed to head of clerks? If he doesn't know, who does?

He doesn't seem to know what all the fields in the record keeping mean! He obviously hates this computer system.

Why can't she just turn the sound off (as it goes off again!)?

can someone unplug that phone?

Burden of proof is on the Claimant I think.

He's been (occasionally) filling in this record yet doesn't seem to know the difference between rejected and declined

If I were the Judge, I'd be flinging that wretched phone out of the window.

Ok, here we go.......getting interesting now........

The whole point was that this spreadsheeting was brought in after the WTF report specifically to stop discrimination (if I understood correctly).

It'll be interesting to see where these go.

"I think it (the database system) is a helpful tool"... and he stops to smirk to himself. I bet he's spent hours complaining about it.

Wonder if Hochhauser and Russell are currently scrabbling around to re-examine this? It hasn't been examined before.

Gab - but, if the burden of proof is on the claimant, then the defendant could burn all evidence and say we are not guilty? Not arguing with your point, just trying to get it clear in my mind.