Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing

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The Tribunal will start on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

I have sent a request but haven't had anything back yet. Hopefully nearer the time.

Given the batshittery that the tribunal spouted in the Webberley judgement, we can't assume judges won't buy the idea that more men support feminism than women do.

Dr Green is doing well here, making a very clear distinction between GC views and GC feminism.

Yes. I'd like to see a definition, so they can be disabused of that.

Yes and that is more or less what this barrister has argued in other cases.

From the link I posted about Maya's case:

“"This case is about the rights of workers, including trans workers, who will never be safe in the workplace again if this appeal is allowed,” argued Jane Russell for CGD."

Ahh, great, Dr Green has drawn the distinction between "gender critical feminists" and people who hold gender critical views. Subtle but important.

They really are desperate to pretend that the feminist revival that sex denialism has sparked (mainly on the left) is in fact some kind of astroturfed facade controlled by right-wing men, aren't they?

A data point from my country (the home of the wealthy evangelical men who are supposed to be our puppeteers): when WDI USA sent copies of Kara Dansky's book to every member of Congress, their thank-you email to donors noted that 96% of donors to the effort were women.

Agree she's doing well.

Yes, and given it's fundamental to all of this, I'm assuming that at some point it's all going to be comprehensively defined.

I hope so, anyway!

I hope she points out that the YouGov poll is a pile of wank where none of the terms ('transgender'/'self-identify'/rights') is defined.

And that the fluff about supporting people's self identity doesn't actually extend to sports, pre op males in women's spaces or removing medical gatekeeping.

Go, Dr Green, go Dr Green...

They really are desperate to pretend that the feminist revival that sex denialism has sparked (mainly on the left) is in fact some kind of astroturfed facade controlled by right-wing men, aren't they?

Crikey. Are they actually believing their own propaganda? This should be interesting.

IDK if 'pile of wank' is the correct legal term tbh

Works for me!

I'm surprised they've gone with the YouGov poll when every woman knows what Dr Green is now saying. Bit of a home goal.

I can't believe this complete crock of shit has even made it into a court room. What a depressing indictment of our times. Lewis Carroll must be rolling in his grave.

Rooting for Allison. The insidious, dangerous political institution this charity has now become needs gradually taking apart. The fact that so many of its former adherents are breaking ties with them in droves is very telling.

'IDK if 'pile of wank' is the correct legal term tbh'

I'd love to hear her say it, though.

This misrepresentation of the YouGov survery as proving who are "gender critcal feminists" and who are not is driving me up the wall.

"Please scroll down..." 😬

Christ, those questions, that poll. It's just like a regular afternoon on here.

Is that it? They've got nothing.

waves back to Ann

Oh it absolutely is, it's quite a technical term but one I use frequently 😀

Happy to be corrected; obviously IANAL.

Squeezing in an off-topic, but if anyone is noticing an recent uptick in MRA rhetoric on recent feminist-themed threads outside FWR, I believe that if the Depp v. Heard trial threads were a shoe, that would be the surface on which such turds have been dragged in on.
New commenters abound. Arguing the need for Suffragettes there, 'n' all, so maybe on-topic after all 🙄

Yes: "As the gentleman on the upperdeck of the Clapham omnibus might say in the vernacular, m'lud, 'That bleedin' questionairre's a pile of wank'..." .