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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing

1004 replies

ickky · 14/04/2022 16:22

The Tribunal will start on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

I have sent a request but haven't had anything back yet. Hopefully nearer the time.

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SelfPortraitWithPterodactyl · 15/04/2022 09:06

Ah, thank you! [medal] for initiative. Grin

Crcohetmonster · 15/04/2022 09:48

I googled Ben cooper…. He is in fact God.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 15/04/2022 09:52

Wow, just 10 days to read that number of statements? That feels absurd. SW and GCC just have witness statements from Allison and probably few others.

SW and GCC have 30+ witnesses which is a lot of reading and cross-referencing for Allison and her legal team.

ickky · 15/04/2022 09:56

@SelfPortraitWithPterodactyl

Ah, thank you! [medal] for initiative. Grin
Yes at last my fannying about on the internet has borne fruit. Grin
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BenCooperisaGod · 15/04/2022 10:05

The cost of this tribunal is INSANE. When the dust has settled, i would love to see some commentary on how the costs got to this point. Has it been driven by SW (seems so given the # of witnesses they are calling) ? Have they tried to price Alison out if this action? How much tax payers ££££ has gone towards this? The costs are so large they must be apparent in their annual report and accounts, or would it be covered by insurance?

This i suspect will be a different ball game to Maya's tribunal. All parties will know UK employment law inside out, there will be few places to hide.

And this takes us right to the birthing-parent ship, and may show how they colluded to have a black lesbian barrister removed from her role because of her feminism. Both the optics and the stark reality of this for our supposed premier LGBT charity are horrific.

It would be like discovering a puppy torture dungeon under battersea dogs home.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 15/04/2022 10:21

Has it been driven by SW (seems so given the # of witnesses they are calling) ? Have they tried to price Alison out if this action? How much tax payers ££££ has gone towards this? The costs are so large they must be apparent in their annual report and accounts, or would it be covered by insurance?

I should think it's GCC that is driving the costs and SW coasting on it but that opinion is based on nothing on my part. It might be easier to have a sense of this when we know the full witness list and see the skeleton argument and evidence bundle.

BenCooperisaGod · 15/04/2022 10:28

Ah, had forgotten it is the Chambers not SW in the dock.

Signalbox · 15/04/2022 11:03

Ah, had forgotten it is the Chambers not SW in the dock

It’s both I think.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 15/04/2022 11:18

@Signalbox

Ah, had forgotten it is the Chambers not SW in the dock

It’s both I think.

They're both the subject of action. I don't know the split of the witnesses between the 2.

We need to see the bundle. I also need to see the order of witnesses with an outline schedule because I need to plan my work calendar around particular witnesses.

The 2 are so interleaved that I have no idea if they'll be handled together or separately (so to speak). So many unknown unknowns.

ickky · 15/04/2022 12:46

On the court listing the Respondents are

Stonewall Equality Limited
London
Garden Court Chambers Limited
Rajiv Menon Qc
Stephanie Harrison Qc

So it is both.

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yourhairiswinterfire · 15/04/2022 13:10

A reminder, this is what Allison said about SW's involvement:

Stonewall: nothing to see here (until there was)

I lodged Subject Access Requests to my chambers and to Stonewall, asking for the data they held on me. My chambers replied with 4 lever arches of documents; Stonewall initially denied that they had any documents at all, despite the fact that their complaint to my chambers had already been provided to me so I knew that they had this document at least – and the absence of that document in their response indicated that there were other documents to which I was entitled and which they were withholding from me

When I raised with Stonewall that I knew that they were withholding documents from me in breach of their legal obligations, and the possibility of a referral to the Information Commissioner, they responded by providing me with some documents. These show that :

Individuals within my chambers were liaising with Stonewall in the days following the launch of the LGB Alliance.

Stonewall were involved in eliciting complaints against me from third party organisations and directing them to my head of chambers.
The process by which chambers was deciding how to deal with me was being shared with Stonewall, and Stonewall were strategising on how to shape its outcome, including in relation to specific internal meetings at chambers.

Roundtable” and “data gathering” meetings appear to have been held between my chambers and Stonewall in which I was discussed. None of this was known to me at the time, and none of it was known to me until Stonewall provided its second response to the Subject Access Request.

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Looks like they played a big part, so hopefully they'll get a good hammering at the tribunal, along with GCC.

TheFnozwhowasmirage · 15/04/2022 13:41

Did I imagine it,or is the finger wagging legal person,who posts here appearing on Stonewall/GCs side?

Signalbox · 15/04/2022 13:51

@TheFnozwhowasmirage

Did I imagine it,or is the finger wagging legal person,who posts here appearing on Stonewall/GCs side?
Do you mean Robin Moira White? RMW is an employment lawyer according to their bio so it's possible.
EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 15/04/2022 13:57

I’m pretty sure RMW’s involved, yes.

lamujerenfadada · 15/04/2022 14:04

I also need to see the order of witnesses with an outline schedule because I need to plan my work calendar around particular witnesses.

Absolutely this Grin

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 15/04/2022 14:20

@EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn

I’m pretty sure RMW’s involved, yes.
RMW is acting as Junior, iirc. There's a QC as lead.
TheFnozwhowasmirage · 15/04/2022 16:12

Thank you. I shall be watching with great interest.

Roseglen84 · 15/04/2022 17:19

Just checked Allisons website and she is now more than 70% funded Grin.

If anyone is able to dig again, the case starts in just a few days.

morningtoncrescent62 · 16/04/2022 13:52

BenCooperisaGod

The cost of this tribunal is INSANE. When the dust has settled, i would love to see some commentary on how the costs got to this point. Has it been driven by SW (seems so given the # of witnesses they are calling) ? Have they tried to price Alison out if this action? How much tax payers ££££ has gone towards this? The costs are so large they must be apparent in their annual report and accounts, or would it be covered by insurance?

Absolutely this. Looking forward to seeing SW's financial statements for last year and this. But also watching with horror at what Stonewall, an organisation I used to love and trust, has become. It's hard not to feel some residual affection - what used to be a strong, reliable friend on our side has turned into a persecutor, and that hurts.

Birdsweepsin · 16/04/2022 14:35

I'm looking forward to Stonewall's next annual report when all this public money spent unnecessarily, and also the public's donations, gets explained.

MumstedInadequate · 20/04/2022 17:43

Bump

I've just emailed to request access,thanks for the details

ickky · 21/04/2022 11:29

Has anyone got a reply for the hearing yet?

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AlisonDonut · 21/04/2022 11:41

No nothing.

chilling19 · 21/04/2022 11:42

Not heard anything either

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