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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
DomesticatedZombie · 05/03/2022 18:38

also this:

mobile.twitter.com/MeanwhileIPaint/status/1281980419609681921

DomesticatedZombie · 05/03/2022 18:39

and of course

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread

nomoremsniceperson · 05/03/2022 18:41

I remember Lisa Muggeridge saying in one of her videos that when she was at lectures training to be a social worker the lecturer said statistically at least 2 people in the room were there explicitly with the intention of gaining access to vulnerable kids.

YouSayYesISayNo · 05/03/2022 19:33

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DomesticatedZombie · 05/03/2022 19:34

@nomoremsniceperson

I remember Lisa Muggeridge saying in one of her videos that when she was at lectures training to be a social worker the lecturer said statistically at least 2 people in the room were there explicitly with the intention of gaining access to vulnerable kids.
I'm sorry, not your fault, nor Lisa's, but that makes me want to be sick.
DomesticatedZombie · 05/03/2022 19:39

Maybe someone could send Shona this:

www.nspcc.org.uk/what-is-child-abuse/types-of-abuse/grooming/

nomoremsniceperson · 05/03/2022 21:55

@DomesticatedZombie yep, it's horrendous.

nomoremsniceperson · 05/03/2022 21:56

I mean Larry fucking Nassar anyone?

The studied and affected naivete of these morons in government is starting to wear really bloody thin

littlbrowndog · 05/03/2022 21:59

[quote DomesticatedZombie]Maybe someone could send Shona this:

www.nspcc.org.uk/what-is-child-abuse/types-of-abuse/grooming/[/quote]
That’s is zombie. Yet Robison and the msps clapping her in Scottish government seem to have not one clue on safeguarding

DomesticatedZombie · 05/03/2022 22:06

Shona Robison was subjected to what sounded like a horrible ordeal from a stalker. Another reason I am surprised she made such clueless and offensive comments. I suppose the stalker was making threats and maybe not 'pretending' anything, but in general I'm sure she is aware of the exceptional lengths abusive men will/can go to.

CatherinaJTV · 05/03/2022 22:11

What she said is being misrepresented, but y'all do you.

ATeamAmy · 05/03/2022 22:18

@nomoremsniceperson

I mean Larry fucking Nassar anyone?

The studied and affected naivete of these morons in government is starting to wear really bloody thin

You don't even have to search as far as the US for pedo abusers in sport. There's George Gibney, national/Olympic swim coach in Ireland and Barry Bennell, Bob Higgins and George Ormond of Crewe, Chelsea and Newcastle football clubs. And that's the tip of the iceberg.
DomesticatedZombie · 05/03/2022 22:20

Please don't 'yall' me. I can't stand it. Thank you.

OldCrone · 05/03/2022 22:21

How is it being misrepresented Catherina? She said there is no evidence that “predatory and abusive men have ever had to pretend to be anything else to carry out abusive and predatory behaviour”.

I suppose if you're splitting hairs you could say that they didn't 'have to' pretend to be anything else. But the fact remains that many predatory and abusive men do pretend to be all sorts of things to carry out their crimes.

And in the context of self-ID do you really think none of these men will pretend to be transwomen in order to gain easier access to victims?

littlbrowndog · 05/03/2022 22:22

Celtic boys clubs. Tennis coaches. The list goes on.

Robison can’t see any of this n

Nope nothing to see here Robison

keeptalkinghappytalk · 05/03/2022 22:26

Appalling … Robison and pal Sturgeon covering for abusive men … and their methods to predate … and this on the anniversary of Sarah Everard s ‘ arrest’ … women of Scotland will have to pay for this betrayal.

ChopinBoard · 06/03/2022 11:03

True crime aficionados will be able to produce an infinite list of examples, I'm sure

Here are two more right of the top of my head. The recent netflix documentaries The Tinder Swindler and The Puppetmaster

Oh, and who could forget Abducted in Plain Sight?

ScreamingMeMe · 06/03/2022 13:29

@CatherinaJTV

What she said is being misrepresented, but y'all do you.
So what did she say and mean?
CatherinaJTV · 06/03/2022 15:27

She said there is no evidence that “predatory and abusive men have ever had to pretend to be anything else to carry out abusive and predatory behaviour”.

What is wrong about that? Men have not needed to pretend they were anything but men to get access to their victims. They'll find their victims in their families, their sports clubs, their work without ever falsely pretending they are women.

That doesn't mean that there aren't violent offenders who are or claim to be trans women. And to instigate a pile on by misinterpreting what she said is, well, so you.

OldCrone · 06/03/2022 15:35

That doesn't mean that there aren't violent offenders who are or claim to be trans women.

So I assume that you agree that a self-ID law, where any of these violent offenders could become legally female, is a bad idea.

CatherinaJTV · 06/03/2022 15:48

@OldCrone

That doesn't mean that there aren't violent offenders who are or claim to be trans women.

So I assume that you agree that a self-ID law, where any of these violent offenders could become legally female, is a bad idea.

no, I don't agree with the whole framing of the situation. Changing the GRA has no bearing on our safety. Trans women have been sharing our spaces legally for well over a decade. The proposed changes to the GRA will just make the admin of getting their documents changed a bit easier.
Rhannion · 06/03/2022 16:00

@CatherinaJTV

What she said is being misrepresented, but y'all do you.
Well it didn’t take long for you to turn up, did it? Still on the same script I see... No one is “ misrepresented “ a word she said. You can watch the debate yourself if you want.
Rhannion · 06/03/2022 16:00

Oh and yes we will do us and women won’t Wheest about our rights in Scotland

RoyalCorgi · 06/03/2022 16:02

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CatherinaJTV · 06/03/2022 16:04

@Rhannion

Oh and yes we will do us and women won’t Wheest about our rights in Scotland
your rights in Scotland are not affected by the GRA.