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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Marion Millar's case delayed again

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Cabinfever10 · 04/10/2021 14:10

As the title says yet again today's hearing/legal arguments have been rescheduled this time until the 1st of November. 🤬🤬

Marion Millar's case delayed again
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MargaritaPie · 09/10/2021 12:58

@Jaysmith71

If you can't have LGB without the T, why can Mermaids, GIRES and the like have the T without the LGB?
Are Mermaids posting hate about LGB people?

Do people who wear clothing with Mermaids slogans get kicked out of pride events and LGBT bars?

Do Uni professors who are affiliated with Mermaids receive torrents of complaints and protests from concerned students?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/10/2021 13:04

[quote MargaritaPie]"The haters were the ones who threw out a homosexual for being homosexual"

This is a lie and you know it. An individual was thrown out for wearing attire with "LGB Alliance" on it.

It's also not the first time someone has been thrown out of an LGBT venue for wearing such attire:

www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/01/19/lgb-alliance-supporter-kicked-queer-bar-glasgow-t-shirt-anti-trans/[/quote]
So to be clear, you think it is completely hateful for someone to wear an item of clothing with the name of an LGB charity Hmm

44,438 homophobic people

Was that slur really necessary

How else would you describe people trying to destroy an LGB charity?

I would say they talk more about trans people than they do about actual LGB people, and not in a good way.

You may find this helpful: lgballiance.org.uk/myths/

Jaysmith71 · 09/10/2021 13:04

...can someone else deal with this, please?

I have to bath my goldfish.

ScreamingMeMe · 09/10/2021 13:09

The best way to deal with it is to ignore it.

sanluca · 09/10/2021 13:10

I see Marge still hasn't answered the question why a charity can't organise around one protected characteristic.

So no LGB without the T
No womens orgs without males

What's next: no youth clubs without old age pensioners or no BLM without white people?

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/10/2021 13:11

Slur? It's official. Being called homophobic for trying to shut down a charity for people who are same-sex attracted is worse than actually trying to shut down a charity for people who are same-sex attracted. Your moral compass is broken.

Perish the thought that anyone say anything about it, eh?

Do people who wear clothing with Mermaids slogans get kicked out of pride events and LGBT bars?

Do Uni professors who are affiliated with Mermaids receive torrents of complaints and protests from concerned students?

Well done for noticing the hate and oppression goes one-way, and that we accept your ideological beliefs up until the point you impose them on others. As is supposed to be the case in a society that accepts a plurality of beliefs!

But why are you admitting this? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that you are, and hopeful that we can move forward with discussion now we've finally reached agreement, but what made you realise? It's quite an abrupt change of opinion.

MargaritaPie · 09/10/2021 13:15

"I see Marge still hasn't answered the question why a charity can't organise around one protected characteristic"

I did. The entire point is LGBA isn't about LGB people, it's anti-trans.

It would be like someone defending the KKK by saying something like "oh black people just dislike the KKK because it's not about them. It's about white supremacy and just because it's pro-white doesn't mean it's anti-black". For an analogy.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/10/2021 13:16

This is a lie and you know it. An individual was thrown out for wearing attire with "LGB Alliance" on it.

Again. No he wasn't. Stop lying. He was threatened by a mob and had to ask for the police to escort him out before it kicked off.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/10/2021 13:16

Are Mermaids posting hate about LGB people?

Fox Fisher described LGB people as deviant - is that hateful? twitter.com/LilyLilyMaynard/status/1276983032495460357 (Fox Fisher has worked closely with Mermaids, in this clip they also say the LGB should be separated from the T).

"What I had come to the conclusion with, over the sort of years until she was about two, was that I had a very sensitive, quite effeminate little boy who was probably gay." (Susie Green, CEO of Mermaids, who instead of supporting her "probably gay" son instead chose surgery in Thailand - seems fairly homophobic).

"Do people who wear clothing with Mermaids slogans get kicked out of pride events and LGBT bars?"

Of course not. Most people apart from TRAs aren't that bigoted.

"Do Uni professors who are affiliated with Mermaids receive torrents of complaints and protests from concerned students?"

Of course not. Most people apart from TRAs aren't that bigoted

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/10/2021 13:18

Margarita, you said that using the word homophobic was a slur.

At a stroke, your approach makes it impossible for anyone anywhere to ever complain about homophobic discrimination without being classified as using a slur. You just took a vital piece of language from LGB people. For the sake of the T.

And this is entirely characteristic of anti-LGB Alliance activism, isn't it.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/10/2021 13:18

The entire point is LGBA isn't about LGB people, it's anti-trans.

Evidence please. Just because a charity does not campaign for the T doesn't make them "anti-trans" Hmm. Are the RSPCA anti-trans too?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/10/2021 13:19

did. The entire point is LGBA isn't about LGB people, it's anti-trans.

It isn't "anti trans", they just don't believe trans issues are relevant to LGB ones, or that trans issues should be centred by LGBT while other issues are ignored. They also feel the common social media trend towards erasing exclusive same sex attraction as "transphobia" is homophobic. Which it is.

MargaritaPie · 09/10/2021 13:20

"Again. No he wasn't. Stop lying. He was threatened by a mob and had to ask for the police to escort him out before it kicked off"

Maybe there's a misunderstanding and we're both thinking of separate incidents.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/10/2021 13:20

A reminder that legally sexual orientation and gender reassignment are separate protected characteristics.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/10/2021 13:21

Maybe there's a misunderstanding and we're both thinking of separate incidents.

No, you are misrepresenting the incident we're both talking about. But nicely disingenuous, well done.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/10/2021 13:23

Eresh, careful. Can't use the h-word. It's a slur!

"In October 2021, after the word "homophobic" was banned, the number of complaints of homophobia quickly fell to zero, and homophobia was declared eliminated"

Artichokeleaves · 09/10/2021 13:24

K. If homophobic's out, then so is transphobia.

If one is a slur, then so is the other.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/10/2021 13:26

Fair's fair.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/10/2021 13:26

@Artichokeleaves

K. If homophobic's out, then so is transphobia.

If one is a slur, then so is the other.

We'll be removing "anti-trans" and "anti trans" from the list of legally permitted vocab, also.

They'll be classified as slurs too.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/10/2021 13:26

Goodness how will some people communicate?

Artichokeleaves · 09/10/2021 13:28

And 'haters'. Definitely a slur. And a negative generalisation.

LostButtons · 09/10/2021 13:29

@Jaysmith71

...can someone else deal with this, please?

I have to bath my goldfish.

Grin
PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/10/2021 13:30

All in favour say aye.

Motion passed. "Transphobic", "anti trans, "anti-trans" and "antitrans" are all slurs.

yourhairiswinterfire · 09/10/2021 13:37

So...harassing and intimidating women (Kathleen Stock isn't the only woman Uni Students have abused) is just ''poor ickle concerned students''.

And yet a dictionary definition of the word woman is unsafe, actual, literal, murderous violence. Literally.

Grin Pffhahaha. You really couldn't make this up, could you? It's kind of fascinating to watch. Is every day opposite day for some of these trans activists or something?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/10/2021 13:38

Yes it is.