Marion Millar's case delayed again

[Cabinfever10]

As the title says yet again today's hearing/legal arguments have been rescheduled this time until the 1st of November. 🤬🤬

[CuriousaboutSamphire]

[quote suggestionsplease1]@CuriousaboutSamphire

damaging activities, well I would certainly include a tweet that said:

“Adding the + to LGB gives the green light to paraphilias like bestiality – and more – to all be part of one big happy ‘rainbow family’. Wake up policy makers."

That is conflating non-consensual and illegal sexual activities with other perfectly legal and consensual sexualities.

That is hugely damaging and problematic, and encourages anyone reading that hyperbole to engage in the same lack of critical thinking and make the same error of judgement that the author of the text already made, with the resultant discrimination against the vulnerable minorities that they want to put in the same bracket as those committing crimes against animals.[/quote]
And I'd include the persistent misreporting if that as deliberate obfuscation.

The explanation and original source has been identified on this very thread.

Continuing to post inaccuracies, inaccuracies that damage the reputation of a charitable organisation, once you know the data is inaccurate is more than mistaken. Ask yourself why certain organisations are still telling you that lie?

[suggestionsplease1]

Right, so, you have found an individual somewhere that is (apparently - please post the full article if you have access to it, I'm not about to shed out £20 although I would be interested in reading the whole thing) making some fallacious argument that queer theory legitimises crimes against animals - and you're using that single source to present LGBT+ ideology / opinion as generally promoting this argument and the inclusion of criminal activities under the broader banner?

I can see the lack of critical thinking runs deep today.

If I were to read a tweet or article from 2012 (like that citation) from some idiot aligning themselves with GC feminism and calling for, say, the execution of trans people, would I be justified in thinking that their criminal opinion is generally representative of GC feminist thinking?

And then should I post a rebuttal of this, thereby giving faux-credence to the extreme, fringe, illegal opinion, presenting it as if it was, in fact, a majority that held this opinion as opposed to a single, clearly unwell individual?

Can you reference more sources to show this is a widely held belief that bestiality should be included within LGBT+ please? Thanks.

[nauticant]

That's enough of a derail now. It really is time to get back to discussing the substance of the thread.

[MargaritaPie]

"I've reported MargaritaPie's lies before"

Care to give an example of any "lies" I've posted?

[MargaritaPie]

btw 44,438 have signed an ongoing petition against the LGB Alliance having charity status and an ongoing appeal against their charity status has raised £65,573 so far (I think I might do some gardening and contribute too, thanks for making me have a look and bringing this to my attention). A hearing will take place.

I have the links handy but don't know if the rules here let me post them.

[RedDogsBeg]

You do that MargaritaPie it fits with your character.

Quite why you and others are so afraid of a charity that represents L, G & B people is one of the great mysteries, no doubt we'll find out more when the hearing takes place.

[TalkingtoLangClegintheDark]

@jhuizinga

It's again possible to do some gardening on behalf of Marion if you know where to look.

Thank you so much for the reminder, have just done a little digging.

[Conniethesensible]

Has anyone read the secret barrister? Law is broken. Whatever your stance is on the matter, keeping people’s lives up in the air and on hold is anguishing

[PronounssheRa]

Quite why you and others are so afraid of a charity that represents L, G & B people is one of the great mysteries, no doubt we'll find out more when the hearing takes place.

Two straight people started this action trying to shut down a charity started by lesbians to represents people who are same sex attracted. It's one of the more bizarre 'right side of history' takes, that for sure

I also don't understand why there can only be one 'approved' charity, well aside from stonewall protecting their income stream

[TheWeeDonkey]

@MargaritaPie

btw 44,438 have signed an ongoing petition against the LGB Alliance having charity status and an ongoing appeal against their charity status has raised £65,573 so far (I think I might do some gardening and contribute too, thanks for making me have a look and bringing this to my attention). A hearing will take place.

I have the links handy but don't know if the rules here let me post them.

Some people are gay Margie get over it.

[Datun]

@MargaritaPie

btw 44,438 have signed an ongoing petition against the LGB Alliance having charity status and an ongoing appeal against their charity status has raised £65,573 so far (I think I might do some gardening and contribute too, thanks for making me have a look and bringing this to my attention). A hearing will take place.

I have the links handy but don't know if the rules here let me post them.

For the love of God, bring it onnn. I can't wait.

Let's have it. Let's hear why you don't want a charity that represents gay people. Let's get the homophobia on the table.

No debate is over (thank you maya forstarter).

So let's have it all up in neon lights. What does gay mean?.

Because I, personally, absolutely want every journalist in the country, every media outlet, and every person to understand that lesbian sex can now be enacted by two men. Or gay sex by a heterosexual couple.

Let everyone in the country understand how gay oppression doesn't necessarily happen to gay people. It happens to heterosexual people on account of their homosexual orientation.

Let's hear it.

[Artichokeleaves]

44,000 people and Marge feel that homosexual people should not be allowed to exist. Or organise. Until they learn to do straight sex on command. And are funding to try and repress them.

Wow.

Really: some people are homosexual. Leave them the fuck alone!

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

I also don't understand why there can only be one 'approved' charity, well aside from stonewall protecting their income stream

It's really odd isn't it - there are numerous charities representing just the T, but somehow a single charity focusing on the LGB is Not Allowed.

[yourhairiswinterfire]

@MargaritaPie

btw 44,438 have signed an ongoing petition against the LGB Alliance having charity status and an ongoing appeal against their charity status has raised £65,573 so far (I think I might do some gardening and contribute too, thanks for making me have a look and bringing this to my attention). A hearing will take place.

I have the links handy but don't know if the rules here let me post them.

What's the point of this, seriously? It looks desperately sad.

Is this a competition we're not aware of? Because if it is, I'll play..

Allison Bailey has raised £150,975 to sue Stonewall and her chambers for victimisation and indirect discrimination based on her sex and sexual orientation and legally protected beliefs, 'btw'.

£20K raised within 2 and a half hours. It was at £48K by 6 hours. Then, after her crowdfunding page was taken down because petulant children threw a tantrum, she created her own website and raised the rest with ease 💪

Ner ner ner ner neeeer, or something.

Now that's a hearing I'm looking forward to. Not a good look is it, an LGBT charity being sued by a lesbian for discriminating against her.

And anyway...what the hell has any of this got to do with Marion Millar's case being delayed again?!

[Jaysmith71]

If you can't have LGB without the T, why can Mermaids, GIRES and the like have the T without the LGB?

[Cabinfever10]

@MargaritaPie could you please explain why a charity just for LGB people is hateful and exclusionary yet a charity just for T people isn't 🤔

[HaplessHetty]

@Jaysmith71

If you can't have LGB without the T, why can Mermaids, GIRES and the like have the T without the LGB?

I would like to know this too,MargaritaPie

[nauticant]

If you can't have LGB without the T, why can Mermaids, GIRES and the like have the T without the LGB?

There's a clue here:

twitter.com/Helen_Mandley/status/1446036346670301187

[AbandonedCharacter]

Can any lawyers clarify if cases like MM's can be postponed indefinitely? Does there come a point when it has to come to court or be dismissed?

[PurgatoryOfPotholes]

btw 44,438 have signed an ongoing petition against the LGB Alliance

Am I supposed to be surprised that you've managed to scrounge up 44,438 homophobic people with internet access when the UK has 60 million people?

Keep finding homophobic people and getting them to sign that petition. It's legal to have opinions that I don't agree with. Beatrice Evelyn Hall once described Voltaire as having lived by the motto "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” Me, I'm not sure I'm actually willing to lay down my life for your right to express beliefs that I find homophobic, but I'm certainly not going to ban you from doing so.

But what puzzles me, is what effect you believe stating this factoid will have. Do you think I'd support the recriminalisation of homosexuality if you produced 44,438 people who'd signed a petition for that? Do you think we determine what we see as Right and Just by the numbers?

I do it by the reasoning, and so far nothing I have seen has convinced me that lesbians, gay men and bisexual people of both sexes shouldn't have the right to run a non-profit organisation focused on their own needs.

Absolutely nothing has convinced me that a pair of middle-aged lesbians running a charity for LGB should have to put in a certain amount of hours of work advocating for the T each week before they're allowed to get on with organising their own time advocating for their own needs as L! For all the world as if they were serfs, who were legally obliged to sort out the feudal lord's farmland before they did their own subsistence patch.

And yet, in the end, all the anti LGB Alliance vitriol does boil down to that demand: You're not saying anything about us! You shouldn't be allowed to do stuff for them if you don't do stuff for us first!

It's like screeching at a seal sanctuary because they don't campaign on road safety in the developing world.

[Ereshkigalangcleg]

Great post, Potholes.

[Jaysmith71]

...For all the world as if they were serfs

Serf & TERF?

[MargaritaPie]

"The haters were the ones who threw out a homosexual for being homosexual"

This is a lie and you know it. An individual was thrown out for wearing attire with "LGB Alliance" on it.

It's also not the first time someone has been thrown out of an LGBT venue for wearing such attire:

www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/01/19/lgb-alliance-supporter-kicked-queer-bar-glasgow-t-shirt-anti-trans/

[MargaritaPie]

"And yet, in the end, all the anti LGB Alliance vitriol does boil down to that demand: You're not saying anything about us"

If by "us" you mean trans people, the LGB Alliance have certainly had plenty to say about the trans community. I would say they talk more about trans people than they do about actual LGB people, and not in a good way.

44,438 homophobic people

Was that slur really necessary?

[Cabinfever10]

@MargaritaPie are you going to answer my question or just keep spamming and derailing the thread with bs and pink news articles when we all know that pink news wouldn't know truthful unbiased reporting if it bit them on the arse!