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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Marion Millar's case delayed again

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Cabinfever10 · 04/10/2021 14:10

As the title says yet again today's hearing/legal arguments have been rescheduled this time until the 1st of November. 🤬🤬

Marion Millar's case delayed again
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PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/10/2021 13:42

@yourhairiswinterfire

So...harassing and intimidating women (Kathleen Stock isn't the only woman Uni Students have abused) is just ''poor ickle concerned students''.

And yet a dictionary definition of the word woman is unsafe, actual, literal, murderous violence. Literally.

Grin Pffhahaha. You really couldn't make this up, could you? It's kind of fascinating to watch. Is every day opposite day for some of these trans activists or something?

And I bet they called her "transphobic" during their campaign of harassment.

If "homophobic" is a slur, so is that! What's being done about them calling her a slur?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 09/10/2021 13:54

@MargaritaPie

"Again. No he wasn't. Stop lying. He was threatened by a mob and had to ask for the police to escort him out before it kicked off"

Maybe there's a misunderstanding and we're both thinking of separate incidents.

No. As we ascertained on the thread about the incident when it happened, you just juggle the facts to make whatever homophobic point you want to make.
sanluca · 09/10/2021 16:08

@MargaritaPie

"I see Marge still hasn't answered the question why a charity can't organise around one protected characteristic"

I did. The entire point is LGBA isn't about LGB people, it's anti-trans.

It would be like someone defending the KKK by saying something like "oh black people just dislike the KKK because it's not about them. It's about white supremacy and just because it's pro-white doesn't mean it's anti-black". For an analogy.

Then it all comes down to what defines anti trans. So what is anti trans? Maybe, Marge, you could explain that, give a definition?

I had a look at their twitter for example and I see support for Kathleen Stock, a lesbian. Their conference, discussing about erasing same sex terminology, gay conversion by pushing for transition of children ( interesting dilemma), and advocating a lot for gay rights, also outside of the UK.
Sorry, not gone back more than a couple of weeks.
But nothing negative about transgender people, only the above mentioned dilemma of transition versus acceptance of being gay for children. Is that what you mean with anti-trans? Is that discussion not allowed to happen?

Jaysmith71 · 09/10/2021 16:16

So LGBA are pretending to be an advocacy group for LGB people, but really they just want to hurt trans-people?

Sole purpose of operation?

Lovelyricepudding · 09/10/2021 16:25

As a straight person LGBA isn't about me, and funnily enough I don't think they are anti-heterosexual people. LGBA don't seek to represent me or campaign on my behalf. I don't have a problem with that. Why should I?

alreadytaken · 09/10/2021 16:50

To return to the point - I'm sure Marion Millar would welcome some more support, whether funds or just messages.

Waitwhat23 · 09/10/2021 17:12

I find the idea that Stonewall are the one and only 'true' organisation for LGBT people and that not supporting it (as has been hinted at by some posters) is somehow 'transphobic' really quite sinister.

Some LGB people don't feel that Stonewall works in their best interests so have set up their own organisation. Why on earth shouldn't they be able to, particularly given Stonewall's mangling of the definition of homosexuality?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/10/2021 17:21

What WaitWhat said.

yourhairiswinterfire · 09/10/2021 17:23

@Waitwhat23

I find the idea that Stonewall are the one and only 'true' organisation for LGBT people and that not supporting it (as has been hinted at by some posters) is somehow 'transphobic' really quite sinister.

Some LGB people don't feel that Stonewall works in their best interests so have set up their own organisation. Why on earth shouldn't they be able to, particularly given Stonewall's mangling of the definition of homosexuality?

Stonewall even said themselves that they don't claim to speak for all LGB people.

Fine. That's exactly why LGB Alliance exist 🤷

This ''we don't want you, but nobody else can have you'' shit from activists is...weird.

Mycatismadeofstringcheese · 09/10/2021 17:41

@MargaritaPie

"I see Marge still hasn't answered the question why a charity can't organise around one protected characteristic"

I did. The entire point is LGBA isn't about LGB people, it's anti-trans.

It would be like someone defending the KKK by saying something like "oh black people just dislike the KKK because it's not about them. It's about white supremacy and just because it's pro-white doesn't mean it's anti-black". For an analogy.

Lovely casual comparison with the LGBA the KKK as if the LGBA are a terrorist group burning crosses and murdering people rather than a group saying we support people who think homosexual means same-sex attracted rather than same gender.
Mycatismadeofstringcheese · 09/10/2021 17:41
  • Lovely casual comparison with the LGBA and the KKK
ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/10/2021 17:47

The entire point is LGBA isn't about LGB people, it's anti-trans.

Marion Millar's case delayed again
Jaysmith71 · 09/10/2021 17:47

I tell you, it is quite literally murder trying to get the pointy crease in the white pillowcases.

And the ribbons aren't strong enough. The actors just pull them off and escape.

littlbrowndog · 09/10/2021 17:55

@Jaysmith71

...can someone else deal with this, please?

I have to bath my goldfish.

Made me snigger. Bath my goldfish. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
littlbrowndog · 09/10/2021 17:56

Saying aye here in support of the motion 🙋‍♀️🙋‍♀️

PronounssheRa · 09/10/2021 18:04

It would be like someone defending the KKK by saying something like "oh black people just dislike the KKK because it's not about them. It's about white supremacy and just because it's pro-white doesn't mean it's anti-black". For an analogy.

I mean apart from the kkk actually murdering black people, yeah this analogy totally works ConfusedHmm. Not.

TheWeeDonkey · 09/10/2021 18:36

The entire point is LGBA isn't about LGB people, it's anti-trans.

A core narcissist trait is the constant need for attention

Validation for a narcissist counts only if it comes from others. A narcissist's need for validation is like a funnel. You pour in positive, supportive words, and they just flow out the other end and are gone. No matter how much you tell narcissists you love them, admire them, or approve of them, they never feel it's enough

The world of the narcissist is all about good/bad, superior/inferior, and right/wrong. There is a definite hierarchy, with the narcissist at the top—which is the only place they feel safe. Narcissists have to be the best, the most right, and the most competent; do everything their way; own everything; and control everyone.

narcissists can get a superior feeling by being the worst, the most wrong, or the most ill, upset, or injured. Then they feel entitled to receive soothing concern and recompense and even the right to hurt you or demand apologies to "make things even."

Trying to grab control of everything is archetypal narcissist behavior. Since narcissists are continually disappointed with the imperfect way life unfolds, they want to do as much as possible to control it and mold it to their liking. They want and demand to be in control, and their sense of entitlement makes it seem logical to them that they should be in control—of everything.

Narcissists believe that everything belongs to them, everyone thinks and feels the same as they do, and everyone wants the same things they do. They are shocked and highly insulted to be told no. If a narcissist wants something from you, they'll go to great lengths to figure out how to get it through persistence, cajoling, demanding, rejecting, or pouting. These are all common narcissist behaviors.

Narcissists tend to be selfish and self-involved and are usually unable to understand what other people are feeling.

Just posting a few observations here witout comment.

Datun · 09/10/2021 19:12

MargaritaPie

I'm assuming your definition of homosexuality doesn't rely on sex?

Artichokeleaves · 09/10/2021 19:20

I think I'm going to re define breathing. It has nothing to do with intake of air btw, or lungs, that's all outdated colonialist white bigotry. It's an amorphous feeling much more connected with your sense of kittens and your preferred colour, and progressive people (stern look) have stopped talking about oxygen therapy and instead refer to coloured kitten exchange.

Or something.

What the hell. Since apparently my body and sex life is something other people feel entitled to dictate to me, why bother with any further grip on reality about anything at all. I am Napoleon. Call me ma'am.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 09/10/2021 21:55

cor the narcissist text was interesting

it does explain why lesbian, gay and bisexual people having something that is just about them, and nothing to do with any other groups does seem to drive some people fucking nuts

being ignored truly cuts deepest, apparently

MargaritaPie · 14/10/2021 17:28

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

cor the narcissist text was interesting

it does explain why lesbian, gay and bisexual people having something that is just about them, and nothing to do with any other groups does seem to drive some people fucking nuts

being ignored truly cuts deepest, apparently

Well that's the issue with the LGBA. If they really did ignore trans-people I'm sure noone would be calling them a hate group.

They seem to give the trans-community a lot of attention (often even more so than actual LGB people) in an undesirable manner.

MargaritaPie · 14/10/2021 17:32

I found out yesterday that LGBA's application to become a charity was in fact opposed by over 50 LGBT groups.

Source: Taiwo Owatemi MP, in a response to a letter from a constituent. I can post a screenshot of it if you wish.

Shedbuilder · 14/10/2021 17:33

Evidence?

KittenKong · 14/10/2021 17:34

50 groups. That seems an awful lot for such a small % of the population doesn’t it? Where is all the finding coming from?

AssassinatedBeauty · 14/10/2021 17:35

And what exactly was the outcome of those 50 groups opposing the application? How did that go for them?

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