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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

#RepealTheGRA apparently 'hails from the right

269 replies

TheShadowyFeminist · 06/07/2021 13:55

Tweet by Ruth Serwotka

Does this have any basis in fact? I know plenty who think the GRA should be repealed. None have been right wing, ring leaning, aligned with the right or even come close to what Ruth states here.

This tweet is a flavour of what I've seen. And I think the sentiment is fairly accurate IMO.

What do others think? Do you think the GRA should be repealed? Are you or have you ever been, right wing, right leaning, right adjacent or meet the description Ruth has for women who have said the GRA should be repealed?

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PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/07/2021 00:24

also, none of the workers seem remotely worried, even though if this were true, this would be a massive safeguarding issue that would cost them their jobs and could easily shut down the spa.

It's legal. The spa is not going to get shut down and they know it. As has come out since, they've had previous complaints, and they know it won't get the spa shut down.

there's also the fact that, importantly, none of the other guests seem remotely concerned about this supposed predator, suggesting that they think it's bullshit too.

What video did you watch? There is a crowd of distressed women behind her who look like they've departed the spa area in a hurry.

chickenyhead · 09/07/2021 00:27

There are quoted statements by the spa manager and staff in some reports. Whilst the video doesn't show the transwoman or their genitals, there isn't evidence it is fake.

If that was my business and this was fake I WOULD BE SCREAMING IT

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/07/2021 00:30

I believe victims. the woman in that video was not, and does not claim to be a victim, and there is no actual evidence that there was a victim, a victimiser, or an incident.

Yes there is. That's the whole point of "I believe victims". Her testimony as a woman who was flashed at in a spa.

twitter.com/msediewyatt/status/1413007992484601864?s=20

JellySlice · 09/07/2021 00:31

Neat derail by ConcernedNineteen.

Datun · 09/07/2021 00:34

I mean what would even be the point of a hoax?

Look at this awful thing that's happened. Which is completely legal and has been fought for by transactivists and will continue to happen. So this is just the first video of many. Stand by.

Or look at this awful thing that's happened which is completely legal and has been fought for by transactivists but will never happen again because they've seen the error of they ways and now frown on it.

At least let's have a reason why this women pretended to see something that TRAs have been openly campaigning for for decades.

Datun · 09/07/2021 00:35

@chickenyhead

There are quoted statements by the spa manager and staff in some reports. Whilst the video doesn't show the transwoman or their genitals, there isn't evidence it is fake.

If that was my business and this was fake I WOULD BE SCREAMING IT

Exactly.
yourhairiswinterfire · 09/07/2021 00:35

also, none of the workers seem remotely worried, even though if this were true, this would be a massive safeguarding issue that would cost them their jobs and could easily shut down the spa

They weren't worried because it's perfectly legal there now for males to be in women only spaces, even places where there's nudity and children.

Probably more worried about the backlash they'd receive if they'd told the flasher to get out...

Everyone talking about evidence. You really expect a woman to start filming someone like that and risk her own safety further? Film in a place where there are children undressed?

And even if she had filmed it, she'd still be in the wrong, then she would be 'the creep' and everyone would focus on that instead of on the fact that a creep got his dick out in front of children Hmm

Women don't need to lie about this shit because this has happened numerous times and the offenders have handily posted the evidence themselves. Like the one posing with an erection in a women's refuge, like the videos of males masturbating in women's toilets with little girls in earshot.

Predators are taking advantage, just like we said they would. This is the result of demanding that we accept that anyone is whoever they say they are.

Datun · 09/07/2021 00:38

Pretty certain filming it would be an offence. At least here. And sharing it online would be another offence.

You cant just film people's genitals willy, er, nilly.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/07/2021 01:11

The next paragraph of Andrea Dworkin's famous quote is particularly poignant in the context of this thread.

Feminism is a political practice of fighting male supremacy in behalf of women as a class, including all the women you don't like, including all the women you don't want to be around, including all the women who used to be your best friends whom you don't want anything to do with anymore. It doesn't matter who the individual women are. They all have the same vulnerability to rape, to battery, as children to incest. Poorer women have more vulnerability to prostitution, which is basically a form of sexual exploitation that is intolerable in an egalitarian society, which is the society we are fighting for.

Andrea Dworkin

NonnyMouse1337 · 09/07/2021 01:44

Gender zealots have been pushing their deranged ideas on everyone and are now lecturing women because everyone else (including those that generally hate feminists) have had enough of this shit. 😂

OvaHere · 09/07/2021 07:57

@ConcernedNineteen

I'm not convinced we've watched the same video or that you've watched it at all.

There were multiple women and girls who had left the Spa area and were in the lobby area with robes. As well as the black woman who made the video there was another woman who could be seen demanding her money back.

As others have said the Spa are unconcerned because they have the law on their side. California has made indecent exposure and voyeurism even around minors, legal.

There was mother from a previous incident at Wi Spa (seems to be a regular occurrence) who did try to raise attention to it. She went the police who were dismissive and victim blaming.

4w.pub/exclusive-interview-with-wi-spa-mother/

She joined the protest and was intimidated by anti women activists.

She made a video and a twitter account and was suspended because Twitter is the personal playground of males who like masturbate in bathrooms, not mothers who want to expose a violation of them and their daughter.

What more would you like women to do to draw attention to what is happening? Bearing in mind they are dismissed, attacked, called bad mothers and liars and the cops aren't interested because misogynistic policy has made it all legal.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/07/2021 08:04

Exactly the same thing happened with Maria McLachlan's assault by TRAs at Speakers Corner.

Datun · 09/07/2021 08:07

It's just so bizarre. Because the thing is, this isn't going away. It's been campaigned for deliberately.

It's going to keep happening. Women are going to keep complaining. They're going to be uploading the outrage.

Pretending you can't see it is a bat shit argument, even by TRA standards.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/07/2021 08:11

It also reminds me that JKR was criticised by TRAs online because she said she wasn't going to do anything about the pics of male genitals that some of them left on her Twitter feed where children were posting their drawings of her Ickabog children's book. So essentially males posted these pictures where children could see and then berated her for not doing anything about it, because she made light of it.

She did make some good responses, even saying that she would publish a coffee table book and give ratings out of 10 Grin

Datun · 09/07/2021 08:14

@Ereshkigalangcleg

It also reminds me that JKR was criticised by TRAs online because she said she wasn't going to do anything about the pics of male genitals that some of them left on her Twitter feed where children were posting their drawings of her Ickabog children's book. So essentially males posted these pictures where children could see and then berated her for not doing anything about it, because she made light of it.

She did make some good responses, even saying that she would publish a coffee table book and give ratings out of 10 Grin

I didn't know that. That woman is very clever.

So the men sent penis pics to be intimidating, and then when it doesn't work and she refuses to delete them, they get annoyed.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/07/2021 08:15

YY Datun. The DARVO shocked even me.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/07/2021 08:19

twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1280189282913787907?s=20

Datun · 09/07/2021 08:22

Oh that's genius Ereshkigalangcleg.

What was that about men's greatest fear is that women will laugh at them?

Don't send a cock pic to J. K. Rowling, in that case.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/07/2021 08:22

I know Grin

Datun · 09/07/2021 08:25

Although I'm proper pissing myself further down that thread which asks is getting pregnant transphobic?

The response is it depends, because some cis women will make the decision to get pregnant out of unconscious transphobic spite 😂😂

And then concludes so the answer to your question is we don't really know.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

They don't really know

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/07/2021 08:27

The whole thread of response is very funny, complete with lots of petulant anime avatar types.

chickenyhead · 09/07/2021 08:27

@Datun

Although I'm proper pissing myself further down that thread which asks is getting pregnant transphobic?

The response is it depends, because some cis women will make the decision to get pregnant out of unconscious transphobic spite 😂😂

And then concludes so the answer to your question is we don't really know.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

They don't really know

Eh? Grin
Datun · 09/07/2021 08:31

From Erishkigal's link chickenyhead

twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1280189282913787907?s=20

BatmansBat · 09/07/2021 08:39

Thank you for reminding me of the JK Rowling’s tweets on this.

“I have started to give ratings out of 10. Nobody has scored higher than a 5 so far” 🤣🤣🤣

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/07/2021 09:24

"She only rated that one as a 5 because it had been rolled in glitter. " Grin

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