#RepealTheGRA apparently 'hails from the right

[TheShadowyFeminist]

Tweet by Ruth Serwotka

Does this have any basis in fact? I know plenty who think the GRA should be repealed. None have been right wing, ring leaning, aligned with the right or even come close to what Ruth states here.

This tweet is a flavour of what I've seen. And I think the sentiment is fairly accurate IMO.

What do others think? Do you think the GRA should be repealed? Are you or have you ever been, right wing, right leaning, right adjacent or meet the description Ruth has for women who have said the GRA should be repealed?

'There has to be a settlement between two sets of rights and reforming the GRA is not the way to come to that settlement.'

???

What, with

No debate
Deplatforming
Going after any woman who says anything even dictionary defn trying to get her sacked, reporting for hate crime, threats etc
The fact that whatever is obtained is never enough eg wispa it's little girls being rude
The constant pushing of incorrect stats even though they go against Samaritans etc guidelines
The never ending changes to language so that even phrases ok 2 weeks ago eg pregnant people are now moving to even more convoluted language
The not addressing in any way genuine concerns about creepy/violent etc men. Because women who know self ID into everywhere is an obvious and huge risk are hysterical prudes Dec etc

And so on.

Settlement? How could that even happen? And anyway, that's not what's wanted by the activists for trans rights.

Ruth Serwotka
@ruthserwotka
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Jul 6
I see there are lots of ppl who believe they are very good at analysing the law (and they probably are) but they are not very good at politics. There has to be a settlement between two sets of rights and reforming the GRA is not the way to come to that settlement.

To be fair to ruth, ruth probably does need to appease men to remain in politics.

@ZuttZeVootEeeVro

Ruth Serwotka *@ruthserwotka* · Jul 6 I see there are lots of ppl who believe they are very good at analysing the law (and they probably are) but they are not very good at politics. There has to be a settlement between two sets of rights and reforming the GRA is not the way to come to that settlement.

To be fair to ruth, ruth probably does need to appease men to remain in politics.

Particularly in Trade Unions.

@WhatKatyDidNot

This is not surprising from Ruth. While most FWR women would consider themselves as at least left of centre, perhaps even socialist on the economics, Ruth is is socialist in the feminist sense as well. This means that there is plenty of overlap with genderism in her views. For example, she agrees with them about heteronormativity being A Very Bad Thing and with BLM that the family is an irretrievably patriarchal institution that should be abolished.

See, for example, this tweet

twitter.com/ruthserwotka/status/1412489298180517890

The right want to limit women's reproductive rights and enforce a family model on women which is oppressive. women's liberation is about more than one issue.

And this quote from one of her FB posts:

As feminists we should consider the family a repressive institution which often upholds patriarchal roles of male dominance and subjugates women to a lifetime of caring for others.

She honestly thinks the family is a right wing construct.

Oh dear. Smashing heteronormativity is straight out of the Queer Theory handbook. I’ve been a leftie all my life and think we must repeal the GRA. We’ve been kind, and look where it’s got us. I am astonished how out of touch women at the top table are.

She honestly thinks the family is a right wing construct.

Someone needs to let her know that women's rights apply to and concern all women, including those who don't subscribe to her peculiar feminist and political ideologies.
We'll carry on discussing and campaigning around the issues that concern us, thank you very much, even if the 'professional' and political classes of feminists disapprove of our conversations.

Does anyone know for sure if Julie Bindel is in favour of repealing the GRA or not? My understanding was that she does think it should be repealed. And I thought she & Ruth Serwotka were on the same page so far as wanting to distance themselves from right wing GC people, I'm sure they've shared each other's tweets on that.

Julie Bindel co-wrote this article with Melanie Newman, about a human rights lawyer, Professor Robert Wintemute, who co-signed the Yogyakarta Principles. Prof Wintemute seems to think the GRA should be repealed (at least, he doesn't seem to think it should have been passed).

Having listened to women and had his “eyes opened”, Wintemute has travelled so far from his original position that he now wonders whether the GRA and prior laws in Europe should have been passed. “The arguments made at that time were that people had done everything they could to appear to be of the opposite sex, but the fact that their appearance did not match their official documents put them at risk of violence, harassment, or discrimination,” he says.

Instead of changing the person’s legal sex, the law could have simply sought to protect people from harm triggered by the difference between their legal sex and their appearance on the basis of their presentation, he suggests. “This would remove much of the current conflict, as it would affirm trans people’s birth sex as their legal sex, while ensuring their protection from discrimination based on gender non-conforming appearance or behaviour.”

“Birth sex is less important now, with same-sex marriage and equal state pension ages. But in my view birth sex is not an irrelevant detail and should not be automatically ‘trumped’ by gender identity in single-sex situations.”

thecritic.co.uk/issues/april-2021/the-trans-rights-that-trump-all/

No, not right wing. Actually I usually get accused of being a socialist, which isn't true either but more correct than right wing.

Okay so I can't say that I necessarily agree with Ruth but the Institute of Race Relations makes a pretty good case that, even if it originates entirely in feminist policy, gender-critical feminism tends to result in the amplification and enabling of bigots. like, gender-critical "feminists" speaking at rallies hosted by far-right anti-abortion types.

@ConcernedNineteen

Okay so I can't say that I necessarily agree with Ruth but the Institute of Race Relations makes a pretty good case that, even if it originates entirely in feminist policy, gender-critical feminism tends to result in the amplification and enabling of bigots. like, gender-critical "feminists" speaking at rallies hosted by far-right anti-abortion types.

So to be clear, we should shut up just in case us speaking up means some people listen to some right wing people that aren't us?

like, gender-critical "feminists" speaking at rallies hosted by far-right anti-abortion types.

Really? Rallies? Goodness. Who was that then?

@ConcernedNineteen

Okay so I can't say that I necessarily agree with Ruth but the Institute of Race Relations makes a pretty good case that, even if it originates entirely in feminist policy, gender-critical feminism tends to result in the amplification and enabling of bigots. like, gender-critical "feminists" speaking at rallies hosted by far-right anti-abortion types.

I don't think anyone on the right/far right needs to listen to feminists to figure out what's been going on.

Even if every feminist woman on the left everywhere kept completely silent people on the right of the political spectrum are still going to notice what's been going on.

They have eyes and ears just like everyone else so when they watch the Olympics and see Laurel Hubbard competing they don't need a left wing woman to tell them something is very off.

If a right wing woman encounters an exposed penis in a female space she doesn't need a left wing woman to tell her what her own eyes do.

I don't agree with the pro life movement but pro life women are still female like the rest of us and have as much right to object to mixed sex spaces as anyone else.

It's ridiculous to think that feminists are the only reason the right wing can see something is seriously up.

no, feel free to continue holding and championing women's rights or gender-critical beliefs. the article addresses the fact that, what has happened across Europe, is that gender-critical feminists follow public gender-critical figures who ally with far-right figures and roll back women's rights.
carry on championing gender-critical rights, but be wary of the people standing beside you. there was recently footage of a Proud Boy (neo-nazi) attacking a trans ally with a lead pipe at the Wi Spa in LA, bc Gender-Critical feminists and actual neo-nazis (separately, not name calling) shared (the same) video of a woman claiming a transgender woman had exposed herself (despite there being no evidence supporting this claim).
basically, feel free to continue championing your beliefs. when it comes to women's rights, like the Right to Choose, workplace rights, Me Too, all that sort, I am completely with you. but when it comes to the more Gender-critical stuff, I'd start to think about why some of the people standing with you are self-described fascists.

@ViperAtTheGatesOfDawn

like, gender-critical "feminists" speaking at rallies hosted by far-right anti-abortion types.

Really? Rallies? Goodness. Who was that then?

the leader of Spain's feminist Party speaking at the rally of the far-right Vox party (I don't have the actual names in front of me, sorry)

Here, I have an idea. If the left stops no-platforming feminists (which so far has included a number of black feminists, by the way), then left-wing women won't have to make deals with right-wings you don't like in order to actually speak themselves.

Honestly, it's crazy. It's like an abusive boyfriend who dumps a woman and then gets in a rage when she starts a relationship with someone else.

you're describing it as a toxic ex, as opposed to other people asking you not to partner with far-right sexists who want to roll back gay and women's rights (like, again, Spain with the Feminist party and the Vox party) or self-described neo-nazis who want to kill all the gays (like the recent Wi Spa hoax that led to a trans ally counter-protestor being attacked with a lead pipe by a Proud Boy).

Feminism is a political practice of fighting male supremacy on behalf of women as a class, including all the women you don't like, including all the women you don't want to be around, including all the women who used to be your best friends whom you don't want anything to do with anymore.

Andrea Dworkin

A left wing woman has a huge number of relevant things in common with a right wing woman, which she does not have in common with a TW.

So women should just shut up about things that happen to them in case other people share the video?

There's plenty of evidence that the Wi Spa has had this issue going back a few years. I guess #metoo and #believewomen is no longer a thing anymore for many on the left.

I'm not sure what evidence would be good enough for you? If the woman had videoed the male person with his penis out in the female spa as absolute proof you'd all be calling her a pervert and demanding she be arrested.

As I said on another thread this obscenely high burden of proof now expected of women and girls who have been violated is very Sharia like.

@ConcernedNineteen

you're describing it as a toxic ex, as opposed to other people asking you not to partner with far-right sexists who want to roll back gay and women's rights (like, again, Spain with the Feminist party and the Vox party) or self-described neo-nazis who want to kill all the gays (like the recent Wi Spa hoax that led to a trans ally counter-protestor being attacked with a lead pipe by a Proud Boy).

Calling it a hoax is just the latest 'on message' deflection. I guess the narrative of "little girls should get used to penis, bigot" wasn't playing so well.

Plenty of TRA counter protestors were committing violence too and it's not the fault of women and mothers who wanted to make a stand with a peaceful protest. Women are not responsible for what men do.

The Proud Boys and Antifa are two sides of the same coin. Both will hijack anything looking for a fight. Nothing to do with women who have a legal right to protest.

@ConcernedNineteen

you're describing it as a toxic ex, as opposed to other people asking you not to partner with far-right sexists who want to roll back gay and women's rights (like, again, Spain with the Feminist party and the Vox party) or self-described neo-nazis who want to kill all the gays (like the recent Wi Spa hoax that led to a trans ally counter-protestor being attacked with a lead pipe by a Proud Boy).

I'm not in the USA or Spain, so I'm not sure how that works.

@OvaHere

So women should just shut up about things that happen to them in case other people share the video?

There's plenty of evidence that the Wi Spa has had this issue going back a few years. I guess #metoo and #believewomen is no longer a thing anymore for many on the left.

I'm not sure what evidence would be good enough for you? If the woman had videoed the male person with his penis out in the female spa as absolute proof you'd all be calling her a pervert and demanding she be arrested.

As I said on another thread this obscenely high burden of proof now expected of women and girls who have been violated is very Sharia like.

I'm asking for ANY evidence. cause the video is one woman going up to reception and complaining about a flasher. specifically, she's complaining about somebody who allegedly exposed himself to another woman and her daughter. now, I don't know about you, but I'd wager most mothers would raise HELL if that happened to their little girl, and yet there is no (rightfully) furious woman in that clip, or afterwards. also, none of the workers seem remotely worried, even though if this were true, this would be a massive safeguarding issue that would cost them their jobs and could easily shut down the spa. there's also the fact that, importantly, none of the other guests seem remotely concerned about this supposed predator, suggesting that they think it's bullshit too. so, ultimately, it's one woman having gone up to the front desk of a spa, complaining about an unknown, unseen man having exposed himself to an unknown, unseen woman and her unknown, unseen daughter. I believe victims. the woman in that video was not, and does not claim to be a victim, and there is no actual evidence that there was a victim, a victimiser, or an incident.

I was watching Noam Chomsky earlier where he was saying that the only way to improve the lives of the poorest Americans was for the left to persuade moderate republicans of the need to do this, as has been the case in major shifts in the 1930s and 1960s. There's no hope of that when the left insist on dividing the left and alienating everyone.

I'm asking for ANY evidence.
cause the video is one woman going up to reception and complaining about a flasher. specifically, she's complaining about somebody who allegedly exposed himself to another woman and her daughter. now, I don't know about you, but I'd wager most mothers would raise HELL if that happened to their little girl, and yet there is no (rightfully) furious woman in that clip, or afterwards. also, none of the workers seem remotely worried, even though if this were true, this would be a massive safeguarding issue that would cost them their jobs and could easily shut down the spa. there's also the fact that, importantly, none of the other guests seem remotely concerned about this supposed predator, suggesting that they think it's bullshit too. so, ultimately, it's one woman having gone up to the front desk of a spa, complaining about an unknown, unseen man having exposed himself to an unknown, unseen woman and her unknown, unseen daughter.
I believe victims. the woman in that video was not, and does not claim to be a victim, and there is no actual evidence that there was a victim, a victimiser, or an incident.

Because it's completely legal.

That woman would be an Oscar-winning actress if she was acting. There are other women with wet hair in bathrobes, one asking for their money back. They are intimidated and upset. That's what happens when you're confronted by someone bigger and stronger who has no hesitation in violating your privacy. Its bloody scary.

And, they quickly realise there's probably fuck all they can do about it because it's legal.

The woman was clearly under the impression that transgender people have had genital surgery. It's come as a shock to her to find out they haven't.

As it does to almost everybody.

We're not taking instructions from the far-left thanks. Especially not people who accuse women of lying about witnessing inappropriate sex behaviour. No-one in that video thought it was a random accusation. The staff member didn't say, 'what are you talking about? We haven't sold a ticket for the female area to a male today', and that bloke who lectured her totally believed that it had happened. There is a crowd of women behind her who have clearly piled out of the room in a hurry, and they aren't confusedly saying, 'wha? There was no penis', either.

And suppose for a second that it was a hoax, as you assert with zero evidence? Is lambasting a woman for her complaint, and gathering protestors to support male people's purported right to show their penis and testicles to little girls at all reasonable way to react to such an allegation?

Why would you claim it was a hoax, when you also don't have a problem with such a thing happening? Make up your mind!

You mention Spain. Did you notice the female politician being hung in effigy by trans activists?

A life size effigy of a woman hangs by a noose in the pilgrimage city of Santiago de Compostela, home to a tribunal of the Spanish Inquisition. The painted mask identifies her, and her heresy is displayed through the Sambenito, the symbolic cloth of penance and humiliation, she wears.

She is Carmen Calvo, the Deputy Prime Minister of Spain. Democratically elected polictician. Socialist. Feminist. Woman.

She was executed in effigy during the early hours of the Feb 20, 2021 however the gruesome tradition dates back to the public execution of heretics during the Spanish Inquisition.

Carmen Calvo is a 21st century gender identity heretic. She hangs from a tree in the Plaza 8 de Marzo, the square where local feminists celebrate International Women's day.

Continues: iseult.substack.com/p/execution-in-effigy-a-very-chilling

'I believe victims, but only if they meet my arbitrary set of conditions.'

Women, eh? Can't trust 'em to tell the truth.

I mean, it's like reading Sandyhook and 9/11 conspiracy theorists. Contemptible batshittery.