#RepealTheGRA apparently 'hails from the right

[TheShadowyFeminist]

Tweet by Ruth Serwotka

Does this have any basis in fact? I know plenty who think the GRA should be repealed. None have been right wing, ring leaning, aligned with the right or even come close to what Ruth states here.

This tweet is a flavour of what I've seen. And I think the sentiment is fairly accurate IMO.

What do others think? Do you think the GRA should be repealed? Are you or have you ever been, right wing, right leaning, right adjacent or meet the description Ruth has for women who have said the GRA should be repealed?

This is hilarious 🤣 🤣🤣

But seriously, what is wrong with these people? What kind of a person puts glitter on their penis, photographs it and emails it to a stranger???

Oh I'd forgotten all about that thread 😂
I ♥️ JKR

JKR couldn't be more fantastic if she was actually a wizard, tbh.

Heads up on GRA stuff. My post/thread with Vulvamort's brilliant twitter thread on repealing the GRA has been taken down by Mumsnet!

They said:
"In this case, we deleted your post because this section,"'There are no 'trans' people'uses language about transgender people that we feel is uncivil."

@MimbleCat

Heads up on GRA stuff. My post/thread with Vulvamort's brilliant twitter thread on repealing the GRA has been taken down by Mumsnet!

They said:
"In this case, we deleted your post because this section,"'There are no 'trans' people'uses language about transgender people that we feel is uncivil."

This is the deletion message:

Message from MNHQ: Hi all, and thanks for the reports. We've taken this thread down now. Parts of the OP clearly break our guidelines on civil debate. We'll be in touch with the OP off the boards.

Wasn't your OP just a C&P of the twitter thread? Are we not allowed to c&p from another source now? I thought that was allowed as long as it was made clear that it was copied directly from elsewhere.

I've occasionally posted something copied from another site which I know would break the special rules if I had written it myself, but I thought this was OK to do if I made sure it was clear it was quoted text and I provided a link to the source. In any case, AFAIK, those posts have been left to stand.

@MimbleCat

Heads up on GRA stuff. My post/thread with Vulvamort's brilliant twitter thread on repealing the GRA has been taken down by Mumsnet!

They said:
"In this case, we deleted your post because this section,"'There are no 'trans' people'uses language about transgender people that we feel is uncivil."

Jeez, have they read AIBU?

I just had to drop back in to say how stunned I am that someone who wants to abolish the family unit (a social grouping that is completely normal in mammals), thinks its plausible that women who refuse to arrange our social groupings around the belief that humans can change sex (something that is never found in mammals) must be right wing bigots.

I don't understand how anyone can hold both views at the same time. Look forwards to a plain English explanation from anyone who gets it.

@MimbleCat

Heads up on GRA stuff. My post/thread with Vulvamort's brilliant twitter thread on repealing the GRA has been taken down by Mumsnet!

They said:
"In this case, we deleted your post because this section,"'There are no 'trans' people'uses language about transgender people that we feel is uncivil."

You've been able to say more on Twitter than on MN for a while now.

Ruth is is socialist in the feminist sense as well. This means that there is plenty of overlap with genderism in her views. For example, she agrees with them about heteronormativity being A Very Bad Thing and with BLM that the family is an irretrievably patriarchal institution that should be abolished.

This attitude appears to be at odds with the way she lives her life. She is married to a man, with whom she has children, and they presumably live as a family unit. Why does she do this if she thinks the idea of family is so oppressive?

@MimbleCat

Heads up on GRA stuff. My post/thread with Vulvamort's brilliant twitter thread on repealing the GRA has been taken down by Mumsnet!

They said:
"In this case, we deleted your post because this section,"'There are no 'trans' people'uses language about transgender people that we feel is uncivil."

Post it again with that bit deleted? And then say where people can view the original. Then it stays within the rules.

Completely missing the point here but why should the family unit be abolished? Families comes in all shapes, what is inherently bad with two adults and a child/children?

Abolishing the family unit was quite a thing among some second wave feminists - it was another reason why we didn't get along so well.

I've always wondered what people who want to abolish the family unit want to replace it with (assuming the human race wants to continue to reproduce).

To be honest, I can see the point of making different family configurations more visible. Families come in all shapes and sizes.

But to me, a same sex couple with children would also be a family unit. And I don’t see anything worse with a heterosexual couple than a homosexual couple.

I do think that if possible, it is better with two adults (mainly based on my experience growing up with a single parent, it was hard on my dad).

But why would this be something to abolish? And I agree, what would it be replaced with?

Something like a kibbutz perhaps? Everyone has to hand over their children for centralised rearing, the patriarchal and matriarchal ties, concept of "ownership" of one's children is cut, as is the concept of financially supporting only your own. The adults work as equals in the collective, furthering the economic aims of the whole group.

As I remember, the idea was that commune-style living would replace the family unit, although why this would be a better deal for women was never clear to me.

@Floisme

As I remember, the idea was that commune-style living would replace the family unit, although why this would be a better deal for women was never clear to me.

Does that mean we get to serve lots of men instead of one or do we get a separate commune?

I am getting increasingly worried about current social situation and am not keen any other adults to raise my children.

Not keen on looking after any additional males (or children) either… Maybe you need to get into this at a young age?

I could see a living with other (sensible) women when I am old if something happens to DH. Lots of adults pulling their weight

Yeah I was pretty young at the time but I remember thinking it sounded like a great way of ensuring an ongoing supply of young nubile women for the men, while the women whose tits had started sagging would be left to bring up everyone else's kids.

Presumably Ruth didn't fancy it much either as she seems to have ended up in a traditional family unit.

although why this would be a better deal for women was never clear to me.

In a kibbutz, women were supposedly freed up from child rearing and allowed to work. Women and children freed up from a patriarchal structure. From Wiki:

When the first children were born at the kibbutz there were inevitably some ethical dilemmas that needed to be solved. One of these was that the kibbutz was striving for equality, including the equality of the sexes. Women were only seen as separate because they gave birth to children, automatically tying them to the domestic sphere. In order to liberate women and promote gender equality, they could not be tied to solely domestic duties and child care giving. The Kibbutz wanted to give women the opportunity to continue their work in the agricultural sector and industrial sector.[27] As such, "Communal education is the first step towards woman's liberation." Chayuta Bussel

Along with gender equality, the issue of parenting under the communal way of life was a concern. The parental tendency is to view the child as a personal possession and to dominate them. The founding members of the kibbutz agreed that this was not conducive to community life. They also thought it was selfish of parents to want to control their children and that this did not give room for the child to grow as their own person.

To solve these issues the founders created the communal children's houses, where the children would spend most of their time; learning, playing and sleeping. Parents spent three to four hours a day in the afternoon with their children after work and before dinner.

Collective childrearing was also a way to escape the patriarchal society that the founders came from. Children would not be dependent on their fathers economically, socially, legally or otherwise and this would eliminate the father's authority and uproot the patriarchy.

In the children's houses, trained nurses and teachers were the care givers. It was felt that relationships of the children and their parents would be better because parents would not have to be the sole disciplinarians. Children grew up in the community environment and grew up with children who were born in the same year as them. The financial responsibility of the children was shared by the community.

Well that sounds like a perfect recipe for child abuse.

More from Wiki:

The role of gender equality on the kibbutz is very complex and has gone through cycles since the founding of the first kibbutzim. Since there were many different kibbutzim, women had different experiences at each particular one. Some say that women were and are completely equal to men on the kibbutz while others insist there has always been inequality.

In the early days of the movement, kibbutzim tended to be male-dominated with significantly more male members. Nevertheless, women performed many of the same tasks as men. Both men and women worked in the fields, performed guard duty, and heavy labor.[29] However, mostly women filled the traditional female roles, such as cooking, sewing, and cleaning.

Same old, same old then. Sure men loved it.

More from Wiki

In the first couple of decades there was no traditional marriage in the kibbutz. If a man and woman wanted to get married, they went to the housing office and requested a room together. Not having traditional marriage was seen as a way to dissolve the patriarchy and give women their own standing without depending on a man (economically or socially) and was also viewed as a positive thing for the community as a whole, as communal life was the main aspect of the kibbutz.

When the first children were born at the kibbutz, the founders were worried that this would tie the women to domestic service. They thought that the only difference between a man and a woman was that women gave birth and thus were automatically tied to the children and domestic duties. The communal dining and laundry were already a part of the kibbutz from the start. Of course they were implemented for reasons of living communally, but also to emancipate women from these duties so they were free to work in other sectors. With the arrival of the children, it was decided that they would be raised communally and sleep communally to free women to work in other fields. The desire to liberate women from traditional maternal duties was an ideological underpinning of the children's society system. Women were "emancipated from the yoke of domestic service" in that their children were taken care of, and the laundry and cooking was done communally.

Women born on kibbutzim were much less reluctant to perform traditional female roles. Eventually most women gravitated towards the service sector. The second generation of women who were born on the kibbutz eventually got rid of the children's houses and the Societies of Children. Most found that although they had a positive experience growing up in the children's house, wanted their own children at home with them.

I could see a living with other (sensible) women when I am old if something happens to DH. Lots of adults pulling their weight

The problem is, whenever I've been in a group of women who start fantasising about this kind of future there always seems to be a lot of cats involved in the plan and I'm a dog person.

I'm a dog person too, tinsel. We'll have a dog-centric old ladies household together.