Pushback at Wi Spa in Los Angeles

[FannyCann]

Well it's all kicking off at the spa. An amazing woman behind the desk standing up for women and telling a man where to take his penis. I fear she will lose her job over this but it's a glorious way to go.

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@peadarm

I detect a strong whiff of incel movement from the whole thing.

There is the same scent of active-aggressive Munchausen....

Y'know I was thinking the same thing when the white dude came over to try to bully the woman to shut down. Usually, he would be able to report her to twitter for being hateful. In this instance hateful, means having the decency to not be ok with a male exposing and shoving their genitals into the presence of children and women's single sex spaces.

It wasn't so easy for that men's rights dude to shut down that woman in a public space without an online mra/tra online community, on platforms also owned by mrs's/tra's.

In fact, we could see it for what it was. A mediocre white dude (who suffers no disbenefits or danger from this) cursing at and bullying a hispanic/woman of colour because she didn't want a male being sexually indecent in the presence of minors and making women uncomfortable. He really enjoyed saying she was a dick. What would he have said in the anonymity of being online?

@OhWhyNot

This line from the article

(In fact, as The Independent has reported and numerous studies have shown, trans people suffer astronomical rates of sexual assault against them, including frequently by police and jail officers.)

And so do girls abs women from males .... thats why we want separation from them ALL at times

It’s absolutely disgusting how what happened is being glossed over and made into an argument about right and left wing politics this is about the safety of women and girls nothing more

Astronomical rates sounds very serious. I'd be interested to see those studies.

However, that's still not a reason to take women's spaces away from them. Women are not human shields!

If you don't want to see people standing fully clothed in a reception area - then don't stare. It's rude. Isn't that how it goes?

I for one am glad that was filmed, the staff confirming such a person was in there and they couldn't do anything about it is irrefutable proof. Otherwise you would just get people saying it didn't happen. Instead they now have to try and defend the indefensible. A flasher, who says the magic words, so we're all supposed to ignore it, nay, celebrate it.

Fuck that shit. Never.

@Quaggars

I personally feel more uncomfortable that there's someone filming in the gym when there's people around in states of undress /in bathrobes than a trans woman being in there. Nobody else have a problem with that as haven't seen it mentioned already on the thread? THAT seems invasion of privacy to me but nobody seems to care there's someone filming there?

The filming was done in the reception area. Those in the reception area were a) customers waiting to go in and, more importantly, b) women who had left the changing/spa area because of a man sat there exposing his genitals.

Yes, there were a couple of women in robes, who had obviously left the area as they were uncomfortable. None of them were in “a state of undress” unlike the person letting everything hang free in an area that included female children.

My mind is blown that there are people who will try to frame any justification at all for a man, in a female only space, to expose his genitalia. In an area that includes children fgs.

Oh I missed this!

'Quaggars

I personally feel more uncomfortable that there's someone filming in the gym when there's people around in states of undress /in bathrobes than a trans woman being in there.
Nobody else have a problem with that as haven't seen it mentioned already on the thread?
THAT seems invasion of privacy to me but nobody seems to care there's someone filming there?'

Interesting perspective. That's for sure.

NiceGerbil
Interesting perspective. That's for sure

OK
been agreeing with some of your comments past few weeks (off top of my head can't remember so don't ask which ones lol)
which surprised me lol.
Why is it an interesting perspective? To have reservations on having someone filming in an area.
Whether that area is in the changing rooms themselves or out in the reception where people are in bathrobes?

@Quaggars

I personally feel more uncomfortable that there's someone filming in the gym when there's people around in states of undress /in bathrobes than a trans woman being in there. Nobody else have a problem with that as haven't seen it mentioned already on the thread? THAT seems invasion of privacy to me but nobody seems to care there's someone filming there?

For fucks sake just read what yo have written!!! You have more of a problem with women and wee girls being in a foyer with their clothes on, than a fucking man without any clothes in a women’s space!!!! Where is your heid , up your arse obviously. Women, girls and children DESERVE privacy, safety and dignity. You are unreal

And thank goodness for that woman who took that film and hopefully it will peak any sensible person viewing it!

The woman who filmed it did us a favour

All those who said this would happen have been vindicated

Quaggers.

The women and children in bathrobes. Which you see people wandering around in, in hotels and spas all the time. And cover you up (state of undress???).

Were in bathrobes because they had put them on to leave the spa.

Because there was a naked penis person sitting around in there. And the women and girls felt inclined to leave.

Any argument around that?

The woman complaining about the penis haver in the women's spa was articulating the complaint they all had. That was why they had left the spa. They felt unhappy about that customer. The person filming seemed to be next to the woman who complained. My guess is they all came out at the same time. And one of them was bold enough to vocalise the problem that they all had.

If they didn't want to be filmed in bathrobes. That covered them up and are seen worn in all sorts of places. Then they could have said something. Or simply moved away.

They have voices and the use of their legs.

The fact they stayed and stood there. Was because the complainer was speaking for them all. None of them thought sod this. They stood and stayed because what she was saying was for all of them.

I imagine you will find something in there to not like.

You have more of a problem with women and wee girls being in a foyer with their clothes on, than a fucking man without any clothes in a women’s space!!!!

What was "he" actually doing though? I watched the clip, from what I could gleam was somebody repeatedly shouting testicles at the receptionist.
Never any sign of the person who was probably just quietly getting changed.
I've been to swimming and spas lots and in my experience you may have mixed sex villages but you're all cubicled off. You don't all go wandering around with your knob or minge on parade

In short.

Penis person goes to female only all naked spa. With women and children.

Female people do not like this at all. So put on bathrobes to go complain.

The people in a state of undress (generous bathrobes IE not undressed at all) have been done wrong in the reception by someone next to the complaining woman (fair assumption another woman who had left) filming.

That is a worse violation of the privacy of those women and girls.

Than being totally starkers in a spa where everyone is naked from children to old women. And a penis person comes in with no clothes on comes in to get that spa experience.

@Quaggars

You have more of a problem with women and wee girls being in a foyer with their clothes on, than a fucking man without any clothes in a women’s space!!!!

What was "he" actually doing though? I watched the clip, from what I could gleam was somebody repeatedly shouting testicles at the receptionist.
Never any sign of the person who was probably just quietly getting changed.
I've been to swimming and spas lots and in my experience you may have mixed sex villages but you're all cubicled off. You don't all go wandering around with your knob or minge on parade

Minge

It is a SPA WHERE EVERYONE IS NAKED WHILE USING THE FACILITIES.

sorry to shout.

Why jump in and say whatever when you have totally the wrong end of the stick.

Because you haven't read the thread (sure it's on here) and you haven't looked into the situation.

And zoom in and say wow what's the problem (you're all mean) because you have bias on this topic.

@Quaggars

NiceGerbil Interesting perspective. That's for sure

OK
been agreeing with some of your comments past few weeks (off top of my head can't remember so don't ask which ones lol)
which surprised me lol.
Why is it an interesting perspective? To have reservations on having someone filming in an area.
Whether that area is in the changing rooms themselves or out in the reception where people are in bathrobes?

Are you really being serious?! You really think that women in bathrobes, who have left a female space due to male genitalia being exposed, are having their privacy invaded?

How about they should never have had to leave that space in the first place?

Do you really think that a TW would happily expose the one part of themselves that belies who they identify as? Do you not see that your defence of this kind of situation actually makes it harder for TW?

Maybe one of the women in bathrobes should have filmed what made them feel so uncomfortable, just so that everyone could be clear on the situation - but that would obviously be deemed as invasion of privacy.

I am all for being educated and for people defending situations with robust arguments. But trying to turn it around to say that the people in the reception area had their privacy / state of undress in robes essentially violated is taking it way too far from the actual incident.

@Quaggars - from what I’ve read, it’s not just a case of getting “quickly changed” in a locker room. This was in the female only area of the spa - where all of the amenities are used whilst being completely naked. So not just a quick glimpse of said penis, but constant full display whilst using the facilities in that section of the spa. Where there are young girls with their female relatives. Does that change your point of view at all?

Quaggers appears to have skipped the situation entirely and jumped to the conclusion that it's all about nasty women targeting a nice quiet person who is only trying to change and also this thread is full of horrible women getting in a lather because bigots.

I think that's it.

I could be wrong- quaggers will say either way I expect.

Even if it was a communal changing room it would be out of order.

But it's a spa where you pay s fair whack I imagine to use the facilities at your leisure.

Minge

OK, cocks being flung about (word wise!) thought minge same type of level.
What would you prefer?
Vagina havers?
C**nty people?
Might seem OK to some if so but to others they're thinking WTAF lol

@Quaggars

Minge

OK, cocks being flung about (word wise!) thought minge same type of level.
What would you prefer?
Vagina havers?
C**nty people?
Might seem OK to some if so but to others they're thinking WTAF lol

Just stop it.

This is a 3 floor Korean spa (male/female/unisex) where nudity is mandatory in the single sex spaces. Clothing is mandatory in the unisex spaces.

Typically generations of families visit for the day, starting in the single sex facilities and then meet up in the unisex to relax together.

This is not a changing room.

This is a place where people young, old and in between are using hot pools, saunas, treatment tables etc for hours at a time.

There are 2 videos.

The second (with the manger) describes the man being in close proximity to young girls in the hot pool.

This is not ok.

This is about a man indecently exposing himself to young children.

That's it plain and simple.

You want to try and "spin" this then quite frankly you are a danger to children yourself because your understanding of safeguarding and appropriate behaviour is way, way, way off beam.

@Quaggars

Minge

OK, cocks being flung about (word wise!) thought minge same type of level.
What would you prefer?
Vagina havers?
C**nty people?
Might seem OK to some if so but to others they're thinking WTAF lol

That is the bit you decide to respond to?

Naked girls- mingle. Yerk.

What about the rest of it.

Your statement that the filming in the lobby was worse than the dick in the naked spa?

Quaggers?

You now know it's a naked spa.

Does that change your views?

@Quaggars

Minge

OK, cocks being flung about (word wise!) thought minge same type of level.
What would you prefer?
Vagina havers?
C**nty people?
Might seem OK to some if so but to others they're thinking WTAF lol

Blimey, you actually think this is a lol situation. Again, mind blown.

I’ll ask again. This wasn’t a “getting quickly changed” scenario. This was in the female section of the spa where all facilities are used whilst naked. With females of all ages, including children. Are you seriously arguing that it is ok for male genitalia to be on full display for the duration of using all those facilities. And that there are young girls using the facilities in that section whilst said person is also naked?

@NiceGerbil

It's deflection tactics.

Let's distract away from the fact that a naked man was exposing himself to women and girls.

He wasn't getting changed.

He was wandering around with his penis and testicles in full view for a consider period of time, invading single sex space reserved for women and girls because he wanted to.

He didn't care about the women/girls.

He clearly wasn't uncomfortable in his body.

He was a man exposing himself to women and children in a space where they should have felt safe.

Had he done the same in a public park he'd have been arrested - however he identified.

He chose this location because he knew by identifying as a woman the Spa could not stop him.

We all know what sort of person behaves in this way.

We all know what sort of person who does not condemn this behaviour is.

I've never used the word mingle so not sure what youre yerking at?!