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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

twitch and 'womnx'

115 replies

missproportionate · 02/03/2021 13:28

I'm so confused about all the circularity of this my mind is boggling.

I do not like the word Womnx. I like the word 'woman'.

Seems the trans community doesn't like it either and they have branded twitch transphobic.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56251452

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PotholeParadies · 03/03/2021 09:27

Indeed.

twitch and 'womnx'
MaudTheInvincible · 03/03/2021 09:27

Womxn wiki as was web.archive.org/web/20210302171104/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Womxn

HearMeSnore · 03/03/2021 10:00

Seeing as some people don't like it shall we start using womXXn instead?

Oh now that's good. I could get behind this idea Grin

StanfordPines · 03/03/2021 10:03

Has anything been done to the word man to include transmen?

StanfordPines · 03/03/2021 10:03

And does man include black men?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/03/2021 10:05

but I still find it so unsettling how they can just write a completely bullshit lie in an article just like that?

Me too.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/03/2021 10:09

What did he say?

I don't want to repeat it here but it's probably easy to find on Twitter. It was very callous and completely dismissive of a trans person's suffering for a cheap laugh. As Lass says, genuinely transphobic. Which is all a bit rich, really considering what he did to Baroness Nicholson.

www.thebookseller.com/news/booker-prize-nicholson-barr-1207926

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/03/2021 10:10

Sorry, not Lass, I was thinking of someone else! MissBarbary.

yourhairiswinterfire · 03/03/2021 10:13

.Grin

twitch and 'womnx'
twitch and 'womnx'
Sophoclesthefox · 03/03/2021 10:24

Oh, this is gold.

We’ve come a long way from when all we could do was turn milk sour and make crops fail. What a brave new world it is when we can shoulder the blame for bullshit neologisms we didn’t want in the first place because the people who invented and attempted to enforce them suddenly decide they don’t like them anymore! Isn’t progress marvellous?

“Woman was first used in 2010” 🤣

AbsintheFriends · 03/03/2021 10:30

I like to refer to Barr as Vile Transphobe Damian Barr every single time. It's like his title. He may identify as Captain Woke but his words say otherwise and he should drag them around like Jacob Marley's chain.

There's a priceless thread on the tweet OhHolyJesus linked to above.
Older, self-styled 'cs' lesbian saying 'womxn' has been her preferred word for 30 years (but she is still a woke disciple, honest!) and pleading to be allowed to keep it. The young TRA tells her, no. It's not allowed now and she has to give it up. Another 'cs' lesbian comes along and tells her not to argue. Just do what the TRA says.

twitter.com/barely_a_spec/status/1366549760035983360

Most oppressed ever.

AbsintheFriends · 03/03/2021 10:34

Also, this tweet.

I once spent two hours in an HR meeting defending my NB coworker's use of "folx" in a communique because it was important to them. People don't have monolithic experience with words.
How are you going to respect people's pronouns if you don't respect their nouns?

Let's all spare a moment to sympathise with the grown ups in that meeting.

PotholeParadies · 03/03/2021 10:40

@AbsintheFriends

Also, this tweet.

I once spent two hours in an HR meeting defending my NB coworker's use of "folx" in a communique because it was important to them. People don't have monolithic experience with words.
How are you going to respect people's pronouns if you don't respect their nouns?

Let's all spare a moment to sympathise with the grown ups in that meeting.

Do you think the problem was the word, or the spelling?
RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 03/03/2021 10:52

@AbsintheFriends

I like to refer to Barr as Vile Transphobe Damian Barr every single time. It's like his title. He may identify as Captain Woke but his words say otherwise and he should drag them around like Jacob Marley's chain.

There's a priceless thread on the tweet OhHolyJesus linked to above.
Older, self-styled 'cs' lesbian saying 'womxn' has been her preferred word for 30 years (but she is still a woke disciple, honest!) and pleading to be allowed to keep it. The young TRA tells her, no. It's not allowed now and she has to give it up. Another 'cs' lesbian comes along and tells her not to argue. Just do what the TRA says.

twitter.com/barely_a_spec/status/1366549760035983360

Most oppressed ever.

That poster is learning a very nasty lesson, if she’s got any sense she’ll realise that capitulation is not the answer

The phrase used a lot on here of ‘meet me in the middle said the unjust man’ really resonated with me when i first heard it

The above thread is a perfect real life example

Sophoclesthefox · 03/03/2021 11:02

Absolutely, Rufus.

I find the inability to ever assume positive intent chilling. You can never just want to peacefully coexist. Everything is framed as an existential threat. Must be exhausting, no wonder this sort of activism makes people so cross and tired, the constant vigilance must take it out of you something rotten.

Two hours on an inclusive spelling lesson. Christ alive, they wouldn’t last five minutes at my firm.

AbsintheFriends · 03/03/2021 11:16

The roasting of the heretic womxn is continuing on twitter. If you click on 'replies' you can see it unfold. In spite of her laying out all her woke credentials for approval and appeasement and chucking the word 't**f' around to show her allegiance she's been told off for 'cis-splaining' and that she's part of the problem. 'Be kind' only ever works one way, doesn't it?

Presumably there would have been women who were paying for childcare to sit through that two hour wokesplain of 'folx'.

NotTerfNorCis · 03/03/2021 11:16

Oh dear that 'Barely a spec' woman is intent on attacking GC feminists but is still determined to hang onto her identity as a 'womxn' that she's had for thirty years - only to discover that TRAs don't give a cr*p about her identity! Hope she'll wake up and realise she's been attacking the people on her own side.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 03/03/2021 11:20

Wonder when she’ll get to the ‘fuck off I’ll identify however i damn well please’ stage

BarbaraofKent · 03/03/2021 11:39

This is really kind of fascinating to watch play out!

I mean, we have always known that nasty women are to blame for like everything, but it's so interesting to watch this kind of gaslighting DARVO happen in real time!

ErrolTheDragon · 03/03/2021 11:43

So in the last few days we've found that 'mother' is fine, and most people don't like 'womxn' for various reasons.

Jolly good.

WagnersFourthSymphony · 03/03/2021 11:54

You do realise, don't you, that the term 'trans woman' is transphobic? Acknowledging that someone has a trans identity is othering.
Allegedly. We have even seen penis havers insist they are 'cis women'. So the terms 'natal', 'afab' etc become hateful if they are used to distinguish one type of woman from another. Because why would anyone want to do that?
twitter.com/ariana_erbon/status/1212427311083130880

And the only term left available for someone who wants to assert that women are a sex class oppressed on account of their sex will be 'transphobe'.

O brave new world, that has such people in 't!

Thelnebriati · 03/03/2021 12:54

''The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.''

MissBarbary · 03/03/2021 14:54

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Sorry, not Lass, I was thinking of someone else! MissBarbary.
I have to own up- you were thinking of the same person!

Not trying to hide - just trying to avoid announcing "I'm back.

ErrolTheDragon · 03/03/2021 15:05

Grin some people are unmistakable, I'm glad to say.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/03/2021 15:25

I have to own up- you were thinking of the same person!

Thank you for being so gracious!