twitch and 'womnx'

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I'm so confused about all the circularity of this my mind is boggling.

I do not like the word Womnx. I like the word 'woman'.

Seems the trans community doesn't like it either and they have branded twitch transphobic.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56251452

@Liquorishtoffee

And yet when I (and others) complained about this word being used for an event a while back I was basically told to stop whining like a baby (I paraphrase).

It's almost as if women aren't listened to...

Because women of colour aren't women??
I have nothing to say that isn't sweary.

Just depressing - who cares what actual women think about the term, let's only speak to and about transwomen.

Just read this and came to comment.

So who is womxn for then?

Is this one of those things like where we get told not to sing Baa Baa Black Sheep because it is offensive when no actual person who could be offended by it has complained?

Is this people being offended on behalf of someone and because that person is a white man they get listened to so places change what they do because they think it’s the right thing to do for no reason?

Also, the term is inclusive of black women? What the ever loving fuck? Who is thinking that black women are somehow other?

@adventurealice

Womyn (which is also mentioned in the article) was once considered a progressive feminist term which removed the patriarchal "men" from the word. Now it's offensive. Can we have an annual guide to what is offensive or not please?

Annual guide ?

Think we need a daily one!

I've seen someone on here, who I assume is male from the way they position themselves in posts on prostitution and gender, describe how they wondered if black women could be as womanly as men who identify as trans because they had friends who didn't find black women attractive, but did find the men who identify as women attractive. This poster has also defined themselves "a fully paid up woke liberal leftie".

@adventurealice

Womyn (which is also mentioned in the article) was once considered a progressive feminist term which removed the patriarchal "men" from the word. Now it's offensive. Can we have an annual guide to what is offensive or not please?

It was always daft.

Womxn never made any sense. I'm not interested in arguments for or against inclusion or "trans people taking our name"- it simply didn't make any sense.

If you think "trans women are women" or "transwomen are women" or only "xx chromosome bearing women are women" the word "women" fits all of them.

The arguments between the 3 beliefs are irrelevant to "womxn" being daft and meaningless.

For fucks sake, they come up with the stupid term womxn in the first place and when women complained about it we were told 'get used to it, enjoy your erasure, etc.' and now it's fallen out of fashion with the TRAs it's gone. Just like that.

At least it's gone. One thing which we can agree on. Don't know whether to laugh or cry. What a mess.

Ha ha, I saw this earlier and thought 'wokemate'! Serves them right.

Of course when actual women object to 'womxn' they are nasty bigots

Wasn't 'womxn' for transwomen and black women (who obviously aren't proper women )

I know a few very 'woke' isntagrammers who are always falling over themselves to be kind and inclusive who use 'womxn'. Oh dear....

I look forward to the apology from UNwomen

This is almost ironic as that time when Owen Jones got all irate at sex segregation and suggested that transwomen have their own toilets and all the other women have to use different ones Yes please, LOJ, that would be great.

@Mn753

I look forward to the apology from UNwomen

Don’t hold your breath. They are woeful.

One thing here, and this is true of so many sections of society, is the assumption by the wider community that they speak with one voice.

I’m sure there are some transwomen who are happy with the term. But because this section of the trans community shouted first they are listened to.

And this could be the same of any minority group.

Another vote here for womXXn. Totally going to start using this.

It’s outdated because the bigxts of last Thxrsday used it 😂

Wtf is twitch??

Some techy website isn’t it? Well known for their feminism...

Absolutely typical for the article not to mention at any point that females don't want to be referred to as womxn either. But who the fuck cares about us?

I saw womxn trending on Twitter yesterday. The amount of TRAs claiming that gender critical feminists invented 'womxn' to exclude trans people is startling. If you Google the definition of womxn it's clear it's meant to be trans inclusive. Here is Wikipedia:

"Womxn" is used, particularly by intersectional feminists, to avoid perceived sexism in the standard spelling, which contains and derives from the word man, and to explicitly include or foreground transgender women and nonbinary people.

Here are Black Lives Matter supporting womxn. Hardly an anti-genderist movement.

Could you archive that page NotTerf?

Yea what a load of crap. Can see why women on here find this stuff annoying. I tried to read around this and found that people think you can identify as non-binary and a man or woman at the same time which I really don't understand. Surely they are mutually exclusive?
FD
Binary male
Pronouns him/that idiot.

Not sure how to do that, PaleBlueMoonlight. You mean Wikipedia? It will be there forever in the history.

Ahaha I read this on the BBC app just now and came to start a thread on it but I see I am very late to the party! Honestly, it would be funny if it wasn’t so frustrating.