My Name Is Anna. I've been called a terf - is the BBC starting to permit open discussion?

[nauticant]

On at 11 this morning (Monday) on Radio 4:

My Name Is Anna. I've been called a terf

My Name Is...Anna is branded a terf – a byword for transphobia. She rejects the label and goes in search of solutions to some of the thorny issues around trans inclusion.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000s1rr

Thanks, will listen to this.

Interesting.

Thank will listen

Anne has been called a witch, we think she is one but for balance we are going to let her try to prove her innocence while we light the fire beneath her.

Is it related to this thread?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3994587-bsc-dissertation-on-using-terf-as-a-slur

The BBC have even let the fabulous Selina Todd on this mornings Start The Week. She's talking about her day job- Empire and Class.

Here we go, let's see whether Radio 4 lets Anna have the freedom to give a reasonable and rational account of what's happening.

Ahh, it seems you were right about that particular dissertation WinterIsGone, well spotted.

Listening now - really hopeful this will be a balanced and helpful discussion

I missed the first couple of minutes. Did they set out that the argument is around what a woman is? That 'T**fs' are women who maintain that a woman has is a clear biological category, an adult human female? It seems to have gone into examples of abuse quite quickly and I wonder if it's clear that women are being abused for saying that women are XX adult human females. That's the extent of the 'controversy'.

OMG I'm in utter shock about this! It's amazing to hear this on the BBC.

It actually started with Anna reading out how the word TERF is used on twitter by threatening men AbsintheFriends.

This is going out on 'mainstream' Radio 4 , not Woman's Hour. I do hope that it is made clear that the vast majority of transwomen retain their male genitalia - this is not realised by most people who have not followed the debate closely.

Not so far BoreOfWhabylon but it's making clear that most retain their male voices.

OU professor SG Chappell did a great job at NAMALTing . . .

Said "I pass myself if I don't speak". Photographed here
eicsp.org/events/event-details/784-an-evening-with-prof-sophie-grace-chappell-18-june-2020

nauticant

It's literally the world's gone mad. I can't bear it.

This explanation of why "people who can get pregnant" is the best way to go shows up the nonsense nicely.

I'm unimpressed.

This segment is a good illustration of Orwell's "Some ideas are so stupid that only an intellectual could believe them".

The couple really are (inadvertently) making our case for us.

I just listened to her end with "... and that's a positive thing"

But what that was escaped me... help!?!?!

Barely scratched the surface but I suppose it's a start.

'It's a huge thing to think about - what makes me a woman?' laughs the patronising self-styled c*s woman, when the presenter questions the claim that a trans man can wear make up and dresses and heels and still know that they are DEFINITELY a man.

head explodes