A war of words is beginning to wipe women out of existence, Janice Turner in the Times

[Igneococcus]

Haven't actually read it yet:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ca340930-5cce-11eb-86f4-4fa0aa4e7fd3?shareToken=12c48ac962c2fb8fc9593cc9f5bbf5f3

So clearly explained. I hope it reaches teen females.

She never wasted a single word. Quite remarkable writer.

@HecatesCats

So good and she used such a great quote from Johann Lamont. We should be able to have this debate in the open, this is the consequence this is the cost...

“If members do not agree that women survivors of violence and rape should be able to ask for a woman examiner,” said Labour MSP Johann Lamont, “they should say so, and we can have that debate.”

Yes. This is the bottom line.

Ask the questions. It instantly shows up the issue.

"We can have that debate." ... Talk about a No Debate issue!

Anyway, main point, Turner is brilliant.

It is a profound shame that President Biden did not also seek to enshrine both characteristics in US law rather than simply conflate gender identity with sex.

Absolutely. And this avoidable harm will take years to unpick. Thank you Janice for highlighting the damage caused by this conflation so eloquently. Legalising gender self ID in the US with no debate is like something from a nightmare.

www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-preventing-and-combating-discrimination-on-basis-of-gender-identity-or-sexual-orientation/

Great article

What a fucking brilliant article - it has it all!

Thank you Janice.

Strange that no comments are appearing below the article.

Brilliant article.

This evening I am feeling sad for a beautiful young woman I know whose body and health have been ravaged by her treatment for cervical cancer. She no longer has cancer, she no longer has a cervix.
So she is not a cervix haver. Is she no longer a woman? What an insult to a beautiful soul who doesn't deserve the suffering she is going through.

How dare anyone erase the language and respect that women are entitled to.

Fanny

Powerful and passionate. Thank you Janice.

Awesome piece of writing! I completely agree Janice Turner thank you for sharing this!

@Franke

Strange that no comments are appearing below the article.

I know, I have commented but nothing is showing up. I think my comment is pending review.

The comments on time articles are generally deeply depressing so I try not to engage but I couldn't read that without saying thank you to the author, it was just brilliant.

My favourite line is: "Gender-neutral speech doesn’t make biology go away: it just removes the analytical tools to understand and address it."

Loved this piece so much. Put everything I have been thinking into words - thank you Janice

Wonderful writing from Janice. I'd like to see this being shared "in the cold light of day". It needs as much publicity as possible.

Christ she’s just so talented

Men are still men: women are now merely persons. I would dispute the now

Janice might be someone who deserves a thank you card for continuing to write about these issues.

My edition is still not showing any comments on the article. Do they moderate them more heavily on this topic? Does anyone else have comments?

I have read it three times now. Superb.

Comments will be heavily moderated, I think. There won't be any until the moderators start working. At some point last night there were supposedly 12 people writing comments at the same time.

If anybody wants a share token to share with friends, send me a pm. I'm going to my lab for a bit later but I'm happy to supply share tokens if anyone wants one while I'm still here at the computer, I think the tokens expire after some time or usage.

The comments on contentious articles are often held back until the moderators get inn at 9am and start releasing them. I’m anticipating several hundred comments to have been released by mid-morning. Even to the uninitiated, it’s a corking read.

I agree boaty this will be a busy comment section. I wish they would people just let get on with it, it just interupts the flow of the discussion so much.

I subscribe to the Times online and can't see this - - I'm sure it's there but to have to search for this stuff means many people are not going to see it. I have found this before with articles.
It isn't under the Saturday Review.
I'll now do a search for Janice Turner - no still don't see it.

I read this with tears in my eyes - want to thrust it under the noses of all the people who have dismissed me as a T*rf or a doomsayer, or even just a fusspot (including my own son and son-in-law!), to say THIS! This is why I'm concerned - bloody read it!! Well done Janice and thank you.

Can you tell me where you found it @Igneococcus?