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Biden has completely obliterated woman’s sex based protections as he said he would do.

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yourfaceisaforeignfood · 21/01/2021 05:45

www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-preventing-and-combating-discrimination-on-basis-of-gender-identity-or-sexual-orientation/

“Children should be able to learn without worrying about whether they will be denied access to the restroom, the locker room, or school sports."

Biden just passed all the worst parts of the Equality Act by executive order (so without going through any legislation at all). It is limited in effect to agencies (I think) but those agencies include the Bureau of Prisons, Dept of Housing and Urban Development, Dept of Education, Dept of Labor etc

This will of course be unchallenged, even welcomed by the media. It will likely have a knock on effect around the world.

And I am so angry. So so angry. He was never the ‘least worst option’ he is the absolute worst option.

As Abigail Shriner says
twitter.com/abigailshrier/status/1352121732723666946?s=21

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Justhadathought · 21/01/2021 21:20

Reading comments on threads like these are like wandering into a group of anti-vaxxers. It's like an alternate universe where everyone wears tinfoil hats

Three second hand cliches in two short, very unoriginal, sentences.

Backbee · 21/01/2021 21:23

Reading comments on threads like these are like wandering into a group of anti-vaxxers. It's like an alternate universe where everyone wears tinfoil hats

Why? Anti vaxxers reject science, people who acknowledge biological reality accept and embrace science.

NonnyMouse1337 · 21/01/2021 21:26

@stumbledin

This is doing the rounds on facebook. As someone in the UK I dont know all the procedural ins and outs. But assuming it is correct this seems like a positive idea of how to be proactive. And hope all the whatabouterries of left and right wing, will not undermine this potentially positive way of challenging this attempt to erase women and women's rights: .

The recent executive order by Pres. Biden does two things: it states a principle of anti-sex discrimination AND directs a review by all Agency heads to make sure their policies comply with that principle. That review is essential to implementing the principle.

If you want to be activist around this, my suggestion is not to focus on rescinding the EO. But to tell the Biden Administration, and the relevant Agency heads, that the review must encompass ALL aspects of sex discrimination. And that protecting Trans persons should NOT come at the expense of women.

IOW, spend your efforts at trying to influence the results of the review. Not in trying to end the review. You will NOT get the order rescinded. Tell the Administration to implement it responsibly with due attention to the rights of women and girls.

For example, tell the head of the DOE to make sure that sex-based distinctions remain in place for Title IX purposes. Tell HUD that sex-based shelters are important for women's safety. Tell the Bureau of Prisons that sex-based segregation of prisoners is necessary for women's safety.

And give them an alternative: males compete on male teams without discrimination. Males get access to male-spaces without discrimination. Everybody gets access to gender-neutral space at their own discretion. Trans and Gay prisoners get safe, appropriate, and sex-segregated housing.

The order DOES NOT implement anything but a policy review, to be completed in 100 days. Get your voice in there. Make yourself heard. Be polite. Be smart. Be respectful of people's needs, including the needs of the Agency heads to have evidence to reject, in even the smallest way, TRA's insistence that males are females.

Remember, this is a President who JUST told all his appointees that he would fire them on the spot if they were rude or attacking of their colleagues.

Remember, also, that TONS of money is coming from TRAs. This is well-funded and organized. But the Senate and the House hang by a thread. Let every Democrat know, politely, firmly, and respectfully, that they need to protect the rights of women and girls or you will have to reconsider your support.

Every time you get a fundraising appeal from any Dem, have a standard text or email response that says: I am concerned about the rights of women and girls. What are you going to do to protect those rights?

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Women united will never be defeated (I hope)

Might it be worth putting this guidance in a new thread? That way it doesn't get lost among all the chat here and women can spot it easily and reference it when needed.
PlantMam · 21/01/2021 21:27

@zzizzer

I often wish I could ignore it all - it would be an enormous mental relief to not give a shit.
Yeah, me too.

I’d much rather be getting drunk and fannying about on eBay than trawling through Tavistock board meeting minutes and emailing MPs but once you find out that gay and autistic kids are being sterilised and women who haven’t paid their council tax are being imprisoned alongside males convicted of violent offences it’s hard to not at least try and do something about it.

Winesalot · 21/01/2021 21:28

Maybe if you don’t believe that some black American women are concerned by this issue, a good place to start apart from lipstick alley may be Karen Davis, recently banned by twitter but flourishing on YouTube.

dotoallasyouwouldbedoneby · 21/01/2021 21:30

@ChakaDakotaRegina

Prisons, education and children’s sport...This is a terrifyingly naive move.
This and it is indeed extremely naive but I would rather even this be passed than still have Trump in the White House.
itispersonal · 21/01/2021 21:35

Channel 4 news also showed a clip of him- saying if they ever disrespected someone or spoke down to someone, they would be fired on the spot!

I thought this was more pronoun police, and how many staff would say they were literally hurt by being misgendered!

I am really fearful of this, but a lot of people of my Facebook where posted about the executive order or seeing it as crazy!

Angryresister · 21/01/2021 21:38

stumbledin I wanted so much to believe Biden was talking about anti women misogynistic remarks etc when he said his staffers would be fired....but no, I realise that it is naming the truth that will not be allowed I imagine.

Aria999 · 21/01/2021 21:42

Actually... thinking about it some more, it's only an executive order right? There wouldn't be enough votes to put it in law and it's probably got something to do with the constitution anyway.

So are we panicking too soon? Is anything actually going to change?

MoleSmokes · 21/01/2021 21:54

Two people who were not in the least surprised by Biden’s Day 1 Genderist Agenda: Lierre Keith of WOLF (Women’s Liberation Front) and Derrick Jensen of environmental campaigning organisation Deep Green Resistance.

I didn’t realise that Deep Green Resistance members (and their children) had been receiving death and rape threats since the 80’s for the dreadful sin of offering a single room to a transvestite biker who wanted to be booked into the women’s dorm at a conference!

Very timely interview by @Glinner Graham Linehan:

”Interview with Lierre Keith of WOLF and Derrick Jensen”
21 Jan 2021

(And the usual suspects can shut up slandering WoLF as an alt-right, fundamentalist Christian organisation in bed with the KKK before they even start that ridiculous nonsense.)

How to buy influence. Obama was bankrolled by the Pritzkers from his first political baby-steps all the way through to the Presidency. He who pays the piper calls the tune and what Big Pharma wants, Big Pharma gets.

yourhairiswinterfire · 21/01/2021 21:58

Just seen this. When #BidenErasedWomen was trending, Twitter explained the hashtag with ''...stirs accusations of erasing the rights of biologically born women.'' They later changed 'biologically born women' to 'cisgendered' women.

So, whilst pointing out that critics think women are just being silly transphobes for thinking their sex based rights are being erased, they switched from 'biological women' to a gendered fucking description. Way to prove our point!

People demand we use their preferred pronouns, and call them what they want to be called, and then try and force cisgendered on us? Nope. Respect is a two way street. I'm not respecting anyone's wishes if they won't respect mine.

Biden has completely obliterated woman’s sex based protections as he said he would do.
Biden has completely obliterated woman’s sex based protections as he said he would do.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/01/2021 22:00

Twitter is an MRA cesspool.

HecatesCats · 21/01/2021 22:00

Twitter is an absolute swamp of vile trending misogyny this evening. Violent meme after violent meme threatening women. Countless men telling women how to be feminists. Bleak.

OvaHere · 21/01/2021 22:16

Twitter is an absolute swamp of vile trending misogyny this evening. Violent meme after violent meme threatening women. Countless men telling women how to be feminists. Bleak.

They have zero self awareness.

teawamutu · 21/01/2021 22:19

@HecatesCats

Twitter is an absolute swamp of vile trending misogyny this evening. Violent meme after violent meme threatening women. Countless men telling women how to be feminists. Bleak.
Let's hope it works the same way as the 'activists' who thought posting porn on JKR's Ickabog artwork threads was a wizard wheeze.

Made our points beautifully to loads of people, that.

MichelleofzeResistance · 21/01/2021 22:20

As well as demonstrating they won't admit the existence of females in case male people don't like it - erasing sex based existence of women so obviously their rights too - they won't even deny it or disprove it. They're not saying it's silly, they're not denying it's happening.

They're merely saying that just to mention it is transphobic.

They're fine with what they're doing to women; just not with women drawing any attention to it, or in any way calling for help while they do it.

Lundy Bancroft could retire on this lot.

EachandEveryone · 21/01/2021 22:20

I tried. You literally can’t say anything about it

Biden has completely obliterated woman’s sex based protections as he said he would do.
Biden has completely obliterated woman’s sex based protections as he said he would do.
MichelleofzeResistance · 21/01/2021 22:21

I never get how two minutes on Twitter looking at the sheer vileness of the MRA stuff doesn't instantly make people realise what they're dealing with.

NeedToKnow101 · 21/01/2021 22:22

@SuperHighway

People need to start opening their eyes....
Oh my!

Yes, the whole men are women mantra makes a mockery of women's religious rights too. A Muslim friend and colleague wouldn't / couldn't go to her women-only swimming sessions any more, as women-only didn't mean female-only.

It's shit for all women regardless of colour.
One more black woman to add to the list; Linda Bellos, Well-respected Black Jewish Lesbian activist, cancelled from speaking at a Jewish lesbian event, because she doesn't believe that men can become women. The white men who hound women out of jobs don't stop for a second to think 'hang on a minute. I'm a white man oppressing a black woman, what I'm doing isn't right.' Nope, they could not give a shit. The world is topsy-turvy right now. Aka Fucked. So-called left wing men think it's ok to oppress women of any colour or religion, in the name of trans.

HecatesCats · 21/01/2021 22:22

They're fine with what they're doing to women; just not with women drawing any attention to it, or in any way calling for help while they do it.

That's it exactly.

MichelleofzeResistance · 21/01/2021 22:26

I think we need a new rule of misogyny. Certainly this rings true with many situations on the relationships board.

Women protesting and resisting being abused, or talking to anyone about it, is being hurtful and unkind to their abuser.

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 21/01/2021 22:36

Spot on, *Michelle.

OvaHere · 21/01/2021 22:36

@EachandEveryone

I tried. You literally can’t say anything about it
Yes because women 'flount' (I think they mean flaunt) around changing spaces all the time. Hmm And even if we did so what? They're our spaces.

Smacks of this is your fault because you 'flaunt'. A familiar turn of phrase when attacking women.

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 21/01/2021 22:37

That’s true of all victims of abuse and abusers, mind you. Classic DARVO.

littlbrowndog · 21/01/2021 22:40

Barracker talking into dark Lang. Michelle ova

You women are awesome

In fact all of us are. Holding the front line 👏👏👏👏👏

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