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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Biden has completely obliterated woman’s sex based protections as he said he would do.

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yourfaceisaforeignfood · 21/01/2021 05:45

www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-preventing-and-combating-discrimination-on-basis-of-gender-identity-or-sexual-orientation/

“Children should be able to learn without worrying about whether they will be denied access to the restroom, the locker room, or school sports."

Biden just passed all the worst parts of the Equality Act by executive order (so without going through any legislation at all). It is limited in effect to agencies (I think) but those agencies include the Bureau of Prisons, Dept of Housing and Urban Development, Dept of Education, Dept of Labor etc

This will of course be unchallenged, even welcomed by the media. It will likely have a knock on effect around the world.

And I am so angry. So so angry. He was never the ‘least worst option’ he is the absolute worst option.

As Abigail Shriner says
twitter.com/abigailshrier/status/1352121732723666946?s=21

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JaimieLeeCurtains · 21/01/2021 22:47

@MichelleofzeResistance

I never get how two minutes on Twitter looking at the sheer vileness of the MRA stuff doesn't instantly make people realise what they're dealing with.
I think they get scared and stockholm in seconds if Twitter and social media are important to them.

If they're young they're probably already living in a soup of cognitive dissonance.

You can be anything you want to be! Well, except you, that's never gonna happen realistically.

School is your future! Sorry your teachers are shit and you hate math(s) so you'll never get the grades to do anything above minimum wage.

Family is everything! Yeah, it sucks that your dad fucked off when you were five and has a new family now who don't make you feel particularly welcome, but family, eh?

God bless our troops! Your mum was at Greenham Common but hey, the flag, right?

SetYourselfOnFire · 21/01/2021 23:06

I haven't read through the thread yet but -- Biden can't overwrite established legal precedent by EO anymore than Trump could. This is a TRA ass-kissing publicity stunt. It should act as a call to arms to American feminists to wake the fuck up. Biden is not your friend. They need to get organized to prevent actual legislation that would accomplish replacing sex with gender identity. The Title IX supreme court case is the soonest test.

stumbledin · 21/01/2021 23:09

Thanks for the thanks for my earlier post - but I cant claim the credit. I am not even sure who wrote it.

As to making it a separate thread, not sure, because sometimes it feels like mumsnetters are happy to spin out a thread for pages bemoaning what has been done but dont get lengthy threads on actual actions.

But was hoping more that any on this thread actually in the States might share it. Will try and find out if anyone is coordinating this. Wouldn't it be great to see a coordinating action, withint the time period, so that Biden Harris know they cant just assume women will be dutiful hand maidens.

Also, a personally clarification. When I posted that most people wont even be aware of this or care, I meant by that that the media has been captured. The narrative of trans victims of aggressive old time women's libbers is the one most see. And there is little space of discussion about the impact of self id on women's sex based provisions or sport. ie long before this executive order women as a sex class have effectively been erased.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 21/01/2021 23:43

Thank you for posting on this thread. The racism that seems to go hand in hand with the trans activism is shocking - and I'm including in that people talking about "black and Muslim women" as though they were some kind of monolithic groups go all think exactly the same way.

I agree, Uglyswan and Sebastian. I'm constantly irritated by their claim that TW are women just as black women are women. As if people might think "black women" were something other than women ...

FALGSC · 22/01/2021 00:10

The tears of my enemies are, indeed, sweet.

Trans rights are human rights. It's the law, now. ☺️

PlantMam · 22/01/2021 00:11

Women’s Rights are also Human Rights - have you forgotten that bit?

yourhairiswinterfire · 22/01/2021 00:13

@FALGSC

The tears of my enemies are, indeed, sweet.

Trans rights are human rights. It's the law, now. ☺️

No one's crying here mate, grow up.

And here, trans people have the same rights as every other human, contrary to what TRAs like you to believe. :) HTH.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/01/2021 00:19

The tears of my enemies are, indeed, sweet.

Someone needs to get offline occasionally.

OvaHere · 22/01/2021 00:24

Women as 'enemies' is very revealing language. Wasn't somebody saying just the other day there is no such thing as a war on women. Hmmm....

CookEatRepeat · 22/01/2021 00:27

On this is issue I may be disappointed. I may feel angry and let down. This is still not the worst outcome.

CharlieParley · 22/01/2021 00:29

@MoleSmokes

Two people who were not in the least surprised by Biden’s Day 1 Genderist Agenda: Lierre Keith of WOLF (Women’s Liberation Front) and Derrick Jensen of environmental campaigning organisation Deep Green Resistance.

I didn’t realise that Deep Green Resistance members (and their children) had been receiving death and rape threats since the 80’s for the dreadful sin of offering a single room to a transvestite biker who wanted to be booked into the women’s dorm at a conference!

Very timely interview by @Glinner Graham Linehan:

”Interview with Lierre Keith of WOLF and Derrick Jensen”
21 Jan 2021

(And the usual suspects can shut up slandering WoLF as an alt-right, fundamentalist Christian organisation in bed with the KKK before they even start that ridiculous nonsense.)

How to buy influence. Obama was bankrolled by the Pritzkers from his first political baby-steps all the way through to the Presidency. He who pays the piper calls the tune and what Big Pharma wants, Big Pharma gets.

I've been thinking about this all day. When WoLF filed their amicus brief in Harris v EEOC (re the firing of Aimee Stephens) to the Supreme Court, they argued that a ruling that placed gender identity above sex would have grave consequences for women's sex-based rights.

They were not just opposed in this by trans rights activists, but also many women's rights campaigners, including a whole range of those actively opposing transgender ideology and legislation.

The case was limited to Title VII, employment rights only. It wouldn't, it couldn't be applied to Title IX or any other legal protections women relied on for their rights. They were mistaken, alarmist, misguided, ignorant of how the law worked. They should never have placed themselves on the same side as right-wing Christians, joining forces with them in defending Harris - a decision painted as either naive or evil and unforgivable.

Biden's EO argues precisely what WoLF warned about - that the SCOTUS judgement in Harris v Stephens means that it must now be understood that where the law states sex, this includes gender identity and sexual orientation. What this means in practice, in cases where the rights of those who need protection on the basis of their gender identity come into conflict with the rights of those who need protection on the basis of their sex has neither been considered by those in power nor tested in court.

But as WoLF and many of us here on MN know from experience, where such conflicts are resolved outside of the courts, women and girls consistently lose out.

I'm sure it's little consolation to WoLF to have been proven right. And I do wonder what those on our side of the debate now think who so strongly opposed their amicus brief.

yourhairiswinterfire · 22/01/2021 00:35

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FALGSC · 22/01/2021 01:01

@PlantMam

Women’s Rights are also Human Rights - have you forgotten that bit?
Of course, I haven't forgotten. Over here we have an actual War against Women. There's a reason Planned Parenthood clinics have metal detectors.
FALGSC · 22/01/2021 01:05

@Ereshkigalangcleg

The tears of my enemies are, indeed, sweet.

Someone needs to get offline occasionally.

Never 👏 stop 👏 posting 👏
FALGSC · 22/01/2021 01:07

@OvaHere

Women as 'enemies' is very revealing language. Wasn't somebody saying just the other day there is no such thing as a war on women. Hmmm....
Oh, women aren't my enemies. The fash, however, are.
PlantMam · 22/01/2021 01:07

Of course, I haven't forgotten. Over here we have an actual War against Women. There's a reason Planned Parenthood clinics have metal detectors.

Trans men need reproductive rights too - what are you, some kind of bigot?

FALGSC · 22/01/2021 01:18

@35yourhairiswinterfire

I'm getting gamergate flashbacks

FALGSC · 22/01/2021 01:21

@PlantMam

Of course, I haven't forgotten. Over here we have an actual War against Women. There's a reason Planned Parenthood clinics have metal detectors.

Trans men need reproductive rights too - what are you, some kind of bigot?

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
HettieMills · 22/01/2021 01:22

Trans rights are human rights. It's the law, now. ☺️

Trans rights were always human rights. In the UK though, trans rights doesn't mean women's rights.

PlantMam · 22/01/2021 01:24

Yummy! Word salad!

PlantMam · 22/01/2021 01:26

The absolute state of some little dickhead coming on Mumsnet to post about Gamergate 😂

PlantMam · 22/01/2021 01:30

m.youtube.com/watch?v=0tF3yfU73do

PurpleHoodie · 22/01/2021 01:31

Bahahahahaha.

Right? The state of it. Muppet.

OvaHere · 22/01/2021 02:19

I'm getting gamergate flashbacks

That's nice, dear.

Charley1984 · 22/01/2021 03:11

Very happy about the news, trans people deserve to feel safe and protected at work and school and this is excellent, I hope the uk follows suit