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I have been recorded by my local police force as 'hateful'
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Spero · 31/07/2020 09:15

Dear All

I am posting here in case I 'disappear' from Twitter. I set out the background here if you want to read more.
twitter.com/SVPhillimore/status/1289109245280100353?s=20

In a nutshell I made a Subject Access Request of Wiltshire police after a Twitter account boasted I now had a 'record for life' of my 'hate'. The police disclosed to me 12 pages of screenshots that were not hateful in the least; they were mainly discussions about the GC debate that have been confirmed as protected political speech.

I have requested this is deleted; the Information Management Team at Wiltshire have declined so I will go through their appeal process, eventually to the PCC and then judicial review.

I am writing to urge ANYONE who publishes on line about gender ID etc in their own name or is otherwise readily identifiable, to make a SAR of you own force to see what is recorded against you; you will not be told.

If there are others in the same position as me it might be sensible to consider joining forces in some kind of class action.

hopefully I will know by the autumn if I am going for JR.

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Spero · 31/07/2020 19:14

the occurrence report seemed only concerned about one of the tweets where I said 'I think my dog may be Jewish, shall I leave him behind'?.

The Specialist Hate Crimes Officer said a public order offence is 'not wholly made out' as there wasn't sufficient proof I was intending to say Jewish people were like dogs.

I wasn't. It was a stupid remark in a long conversation. But the context of the tweets were deliberately ignored.

the occurrence report then specifically said the rest were my opinion and not a crime, however 'offensive' to the Reporting Person.

But it still starts with a 'barrister who has been posting hate'.

I am entirely unclear what the police have categorised my discussion re abortion rights for eg.

Whole thing a ridiculous hot mess.

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Kantastic · 31/07/2020 19:24

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RadandMad · 31/07/2020 19:26

So appalled by this, Spero. Count me in with any digging.

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ScrimpshawTheSecond · 31/07/2020 19:45

could I write a bot that randomly reports Tweets as Hate against me personally and become, single-handedly, the most oppressed group in the entire country?

I can just hear some people's eyes lighting up at the very thought.

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MamaLion1319 · 31/07/2020 19:47

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MamaLion1319 · 31/07/2020 19:53

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JackiesArmy · 31/07/2020 19:56

Interesting comment, MamaLion. I presume you have proof?

Your last sentence is confusing. I presume it means Spero isn't a [omits word to avoid deletion]

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ArriettyJones · 31/07/2020 19:56

@MamaLion1319 not only is that a personal attack, it doesn’t even make sense. I honestly can’t work out what you’re accusing her of.

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MamaLion1319 · 31/07/2020 19:59

I'm not commenting for the followers of this post, my comments are for Sarah.

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JackiesArmy · 31/07/2020 20:01

I'm sure she'll be delighted to hear from you. You sound lovely Grin

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MamaLion1319 · 31/07/2020 20:01

Bless you @JackiesArmy

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ArriettyJones · 31/07/2020 20:01

@MamaLion1319

I'm not commenting for the followers of this post, my comments are for Sarah.

Nonsense. If you didn’t want an audience you’d send your abusive messages privately.
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MamaLion1319 · 31/07/2020 20:04

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DazedWifelet · 31/07/2020 20:05

We are living in 1984. It's scary!

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ArriettyJones · 31/07/2020 20:07

You can keep blessing everyone who objects @MamaLion1319 but you still look abusive and irrational.

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JackiesArmy · 31/07/2020 20:07

I've seen many family court cases where she has supported abused children. Unless of course you are one of the "forced adoption" lot who are completely bonkers

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DazedWifelet · 31/07/2020 20:11

@ArriettyJones I think it's only recorded on PNC if you are charged with a recordable offence (as per the relevant Act). Most likely this would be on a force's own database.

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ArriettyJones · 31/07/2020 20:12

Oh that’s interesting. So the DBS draws from both?

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MamaLion1319 · 31/07/2020 20:14

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JackiesArmy · 31/07/2020 20:18

Yes, I'm sure she knows, and from what I've seen she takes a moral stand to protect the most vulnerable.

If you have evidence to the contrary (even one instance) I would love to see it. If you don't post any actual facts, then I'll continue to believe that you are taking this personally, which (in my experience) is often interesting.

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QueenCoconut · 31/07/2020 20:23

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BoreOfWhabylon · 31/07/2020 20:28

Intolerant of whom, @QueenCoconut?

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QueenCoconut · 31/07/2020 20:40

My post above was to show the previous poster that she’s not alone with her critical view of the OP ( although I do disagree with the use of offensive language).

I’m not going to attempt and debate with you Bore over what is and what isn’t intolerant in my opinion as I know it will only upset me.
Trying to talk about trans issues within this group is like being a person from a BAME background attempting to explain to a group of racists why they feel discriminated against. You’d never win would you?

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BoreOfWhabylon · 31/07/2020 20:51

Ah. Unsubstantiated allegations then.

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QueenCoconut · 31/07/2020 21:02

I can just see you thumping the table in satisfaction.
Point made.

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