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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Stephen King retweets JKR

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ScrimpshawTheSecond · 28/06/2020 18:43

Grin

A Dworkin quote.

Stephen King retweets JKR
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Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/06/2020 19:19

The sexism of the position, the unthinking disregard for women and girls never fails to shock me, even now.

Highperbolay · 29/06/2020 19:19

And we know that men choose entire careers based on the access they can get to vulnerable people. They take all sorts of crazy risks, will install cameras knowing they could get caught, will literally crawl through shit, if they think they might be able to carry out a predatory crime.

So I don't think saying 'yeah I'm a woman' will be tooooooo much trouble!

HavelockVetinari · 29/06/2020 19:19

Do you think its credible to suggest that a man whose out to sexually assault women would go to bother of transitioning or claiming to identify as a woman to get at them in a bathroom say?

Stephen King retweets JKR
Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/06/2020 19:21

Men have died hiding in septic tanks waiting to peep at women in women's spaces.

HavelockVetinari · 29/06/2020 19:21

There you go, @Benny10

#SorryNotSorry

exLtEveDallas · 29/06/2020 19:21

Uh @Benny10 saying Trans women aren't biologically the same as women obviously is transphobic.

Tell you what, try posting that sentence on Twitter. In fact, to make it even more fair, have a female name or avatar and post it. See how much abuse you get.

midgebabe · 29/06/2020 19:21

You can refer to him as a woman that's fine

What's not fine is to expect us to believe that they are a woman or to expect us to hand her woman's rights without significant gatekeeping, and sometimes not at all

So your friend was a nurse and I asked for a female nurse , they should not be offended if I do not at that point consider her a woman

If your friend was really good at cycling, I would not expect them to put themselves into the woman's team ( although I think a competitive sport solution should be available to her)

Many transwomen are aligned with this way of thinking and I really feel that the TRA is distracting from supporting these transwomen and providing the structural fixes and support that they need ( perhaps more closed cubicle unisex toilets for example or their own rape crisis centre )

Highperbolay · 29/06/2020 19:22

Why do you think DBS checks exist Benny? After all, if we are to just believe that everyone is genuine, and is genuinely who they say they are, and would never mean any harm, and no one would ever take advantage of anything in order to carry out crimes, we can just do away with them can't we?

Patsypie · 29/06/2020 19:23

I thought he tweeted 'Trans women are women' and JK deleted her 'thank you' tweet?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/06/2020 19:24

Have you got a single rational argument as to why males should be treated as women, other than, because they want to be and you're really mean to not do that?

jeffgoldblumlovespenguins · 29/06/2020 19:24

I'm feeling more accepting lately,
I'm happy to say twaw but only if they have had a full sex change op!
It would be simpler if we scrapped gender entirely and went with genitals instead.
Vagina or penis is easier for everyone to understand.😄

Flapjak · 29/06/2020 19:25

I may have got this wrong, but am sure i read a recent report that more than half of 'trans'prisoners had committed a sexual offence. Not sure if it was delved into any deeper but it seems at best these are male sexual predators using trans identities probably to gain easier access to their victims? Surely this is a good example why women should have the right to retain female only spaces

Staffy1 · 29/06/2020 19:26

Slightly off topic, but always wondered why it's always trans women that the big fuss is about. I presume there are trans men but never hear of them demanding things or insisting non-trans men are called " people who produce sperm" or such like.

exLtEveDallas · 29/06/2020 19:27

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FloralBunting · 29/06/2020 19:29

Staffy, that's because the transmen are too busy making headlines for being pregnant and campaigning for the loosening of surrogacy by divorcing the idea of mothers having babies. It's not worth anything unless it services men, you know.

MilleniumHallsWalledGarden · 29/06/2020 19:34

@jeffgoldblumlovespenguins

I'm feeling more accepting lately, I'm happy to say twaw but only if they have had a full sex change op! It would be simpler if we scrapped gender entirely and went with genitals instead. Vagina or penis is easier for everyone to understand.😄

What do you think the words woman and man refer to? Genuine question, not being arsey.

jeffgoldblumlovespenguins · 29/06/2020 19:39

Woman = vagina
Man = penis
Simply put .

Highperbolay · 29/06/2020 19:50

A male who has had full SRS does not have a vagina. A woman is not 'a man without a penis'.

MilleniumHallsWalledGarden · 29/06/2020 19:53

Okay, it refers to our respective reproductive sex roles, I agree. Why do you think we should call women 'vaginas' and what about that would stop TRAs from demanding TW to be called 'vaginas' too? How would it make any difference?

Highperbolay · 29/06/2020 19:56

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Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 29/06/2020 19:59

Benny10 currently when my 11 yr old daughter is getting changed after swimming (not currently I suppose but normal times!) in the large comunal women’s changing room if a male person walks in the girls would I hope be able to scream & their coaches sure as hell would chuck out any male they spotted going into the girls changing, management would help them.
Under self ID that male just says (beard, erect penis & all) I’m a woman you bigots. And my daughter & her team mates are; watched by a male without their consent & he can expose himself to them OR they lose out on the sport they love.

That’s the tip of the iceberg. Vulnerable women in prison locked up with abusive males - it’s all ready happening Sad

jeffgoldblumlovespenguins · 29/06/2020 20:02

@MilleniumHallsWalledGarden

Okay, it refers to our respective reproductive sex roles, I agree. Why do you think we should call women 'vaginas' and what about that would stop TRAs from demanding TW to be called 'vaginas' too? How would it make any difference?
I don't not really , but if we cannot be called women , then neither should tw , why should men always keep their identity? Let them be reduced to their body parts for once !
Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/06/2020 20:05

Slightly off topic, but always wondered why it's always trans women that the big fuss is about. I presume there are trans men but never hear of them demanding things or insisting non-trans men are called " people who produce sperm" or such like.

They don't have the power. Men would laugh them out of the room.

jeffgoldblumlovespenguins · 29/06/2020 20:06

Also after past trauma, I'm less frightened of a person without a penis than a fully intact male!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/06/2020 20:07

Also, MTF trans people don't want a "people who produce sperm" language shift, because then they'll have to confront their malebodiedness and will be in a category with all other males. It's fine to write FTMs off as "menstruators". Who cares about them?