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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What constitutes modern day feminism

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katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 10:45

What does it mean to be a feminist in the 21st century? When I and indeed the members of my family who I would consider to be feminist were growing up it was about fighting for equal rights for women such as equal pay and better representation of women in high powered jobs and given that the Labour Party has yet again elected a male leader says to me that there is still along way to go. However I and my family members find ourselves becoming more and more uncomfortable with what some might call the more extreme side of feminism.

I fear that certain views of feminism are allowing a rather unhealthy and quite hateful form especially in relation to trans rights. As a member of the lgbt community and although I’m not trans myself I do have friends who are and I also volunteer for a local charity who support and offer counselling to trans teenagers. I see first hand the damage done by the attitudes promoted and supported by some sections of the feminist community dressed up under the guise of ‘free speech’. The trans right issue is a complex one. I don’t think children should be allowed to transition or be given hormone blockers to prevent puberty because I’m not convinced a child has the maturity to make those kind of life changing decisions although that doesn’t mean I don’t believe that children can’t be trans because I see it everyday through my work with the charity and it’s a fact of great shame that at least 70% of young trans have self harmed or tried to commit suicide because of the prejudice they face.

The biggest contentious issue appears to be that of self indentification. I fail to see how it erodes my rights as a women if a trans person chooses to self identify and personally I find the notion that people chose to self identify because they want to harm others somewhat far fetched. Yes I accept that there are some sick indivuals that do this but the fact is the majority of sex offenders offend as men not men who are self identifying as female or the other wan around. I remember mixed sex changing rooms when I was growing up and I don’t remember a vast increase in sexual assay because of it.

Now despite being accused of it on here several times by people who hide behind the guise of feminism to attack anyone who dares to defend trans rights as someone who condones sexual assault I do not in fact as a surviour of sexual assault I find that extremely offensive. Anyone trans or otherwise who commits any kind of sexual assault deserves to be castrated and strung up. Maybe one way around the shared changing room or toilet issue would be to have single cubicles or toilets as we do at our charity so it doesn’t matter who uses them because there’s only u on there. As a parent and someone who works with children who have been absued I can totally understand the argument for parents wanting to know who the child is sharing a changing room with. Personally I wouldn’t allow my son or my nieces who I regularly look after our without a grown up until they were of teenager age and then allow in groups of friends.

I’ve no doubt that this post will either be ignored or removed as mums net seems to remove anything that resembles some who supports the rights of trans people but just as the people who use feminism to try and erode or stand Agasint trans rights I to have the right to express my opinion.

The debate of feminism and trans issues needs to be less toxic and more about open discussion and tolerance of others opinions will allowing healthy debate because trans people are people and have the same right to be heard and to be given the same freedoms as any other member of society. Do I think that all feminists are transphobic absolutely not and neither do I believe that all of the trans community min are good people. There’s good and bad in everyone and every group of society but since when is that a justification for the discrimination of a whole part of society

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QuestionMarkNow · 05/04/2020 17:10

Nit sure the swearing and the insults were necessary....
Sounds like the way a man would react....

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 17:11

I remember the stunned feeling learning that Dean Stockwell was a reasonably successful child actor back in the technicolor era, when I had known him.best for being a grizzled letch in QL.

TinselAngel · 05/04/2020 17:11

When my friend got her first iPhone she said it was like being Al out of Quantum Leap.

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 05/04/2020 17:12

3rd rule of misogyny: women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.

Oh yes. Bad women, being selfish. Only male men are allowed to do that.

Hang on. That must mean we’re all trans!

Let’s take over the trans rights movement and centre ourselves in it! If you can’t beat ‘em etc etc

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 05/04/2020 17:13

And we've now got 500 posts left to discuss Quantum Leap!

😃 😃 😃

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 17:14

I'd still quite like a phone that was like Al's handset. I'd obviously call it Ziggy and shout randomly at Gushie when it didn't update properly.

R0wantrees · 05/04/2020 17:14

I do indeed I help run the charities youth clubs I tell u what how about I give the the details of the charity so u can give them your obviously expert opinion on who should be Working with vulnerable children which you quite clearly know all about

Yes please, I'd be interested to know which charity OP.

There has been recognition of the need to extend some important Safeguard protections to cover youth groups, children's choirs & sports clubs etc

I was very pleased this need is being started to be recognised.

Michelleoftheresistance · 05/04/2020 17:16

'Modern feminism' - a phrase inevitably used to try and imply that the centering of males, and the nurturing of freedom of choice of males, to the detriment and active destruction of the rights and equality of women and girls is somehow a jolly good thing and v. progressive.

It's not. Go be pro male supremacism. Have fun with that. Freedom of choice and all that. Just don't try and gaslight me that it's somehow super good for females to masochistically participate in their own oppression, and that all good females should be enthusiastically slavering to do this.

SipChampagneLikeWeThirstay · 05/04/2020 17:18

Ah, just in time for my roast chicken to come out of the oven, OP. Good work.

Cheery bye.

TinselAngel · 05/04/2020 17:18

If you can think of it Floral it exists somewhere on the Internet:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.pinterest.com/amp/pin/174373816794512221/

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 17:19

I'm so amused that the OP thinks any of this thread was a clever gotcha on their part, and now they are retiring, satisfied with their cunning work.
It's like someone shitting on their own bed and laughing at me because the toilet is still clean.

Deliriumoftheendless · 05/04/2020 17:20

Dean Stockwell was super good looking when he was young. Fact.

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 17:20

Tinsel you are brilliant.

Although, tbh, it would probably end up hurting my hand quite quickly, and I would need TARDIS sized pockets.

Michelleoftheresistance · 05/04/2020 17:20

Ah and that's what happens when you read the first post, groan something about bloody groundhog day and school holidays, and can't be buggered to wade through the rest to the flounce.

Are we onto marmalade recipes yet?

TinselAngel · 05/04/2020 17:22

Dean Stockwell was super good looking when he was young. Fact.

Gosh

What constitutes modern day feminism
FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 17:22

Michelle, nope, we went left field into body swap sentimentalism from the 90's.

Deliriumoftheendless · 05/04/2020 17:23

Told you, Tinsel.

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 17:26

And to prove the cute child star thing too

What constitutes modern day feminism
Michelleoftheresistance · 05/04/2020 17:27

Well Stockwell was adorable. Fact.

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 17:27

And a poster of his biggest film as a kid

What constitutes modern day feminism
RedDogsBeg · 05/04/2020 17:27

As fun as it has been winding up the terfs and morons on here all good things must come to an end. Mumsnet the social media platform for terfs homophobes bullies and middle class mums with nowt better to do with their sad little lives Than sit on social media. If u had lives u would be out loving them
Not sitting on here by fuckers

Ah the absolute epitome of a civilised, well thought out, intelligent debate comes to an end with a comment worthy of an A*, superbly done OP.

R0wantrees · 05/04/2020 17:28

Have Katie n Lisa left?

MrsSnippyPants · 05/04/2020 17:30

I think they may have been shown the door R0wan

Which is nice because my chicken is almost ready and I need to get on with veg and Yorkshire puds Grin

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 17:30

Yes, R0. I think The Chase is starting on ITV.

R0wantrees · 05/04/2020 17:32

I'm just back from a lovely walk.