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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What constitutes modern day feminism

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katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 10:45

What does it mean to be a feminist in the 21st century? When I and indeed the members of my family who I would consider to be feminist were growing up it was about fighting for equal rights for women such as equal pay and better representation of women in high powered jobs and given that the Labour Party has yet again elected a male leader says to me that there is still along way to go. However I and my family members find ourselves becoming more and more uncomfortable with what some might call the more extreme side of feminism.

I fear that certain views of feminism are allowing a rather unhealthy and quite hateful form especially in relation to trans rights. As a member of the lgbt community and although I’m not trans myself I do have friends who are and I also volunteer for a local charity who support and offer counselling to trans teenagers. I see first hand the damage done by the attitudes promoted and supported by some sections of the feminist community dressed up under the guise of ‘free speech’. The trans right issue is a complex one. I don’t think children should be allowed to transition or be given hormone blockers to prevent puberty because I’m not convinced a child has the maturity to make those kind of life changing decisions although that doesn’t mean I don’t believe that children can’t be trans because I see it everyday through my work with the charity and it’s a fact of great shame that at least 70% of young trans have self harmed or tried to commit suicide because of the prejudice they face.

The biggest contentious issue appears to be that of self indentification. I fail to see how it erodes my rights as a women if a trans person chooses to self identify and personally I find the notion that people chose to self identify because they want to harm others somewhat far fetched. Yes I accept that there are some sick indivuals that do this but the fact is the majority of sex offenders offend as men not men who are self identifying as female or the other wan around. I remember mixed sex changing rooms when I was growing up and I don’t remember a vast increase in sexual assay because of it.

Now despite being accused of it on here several times by people who hide behind the guise of feminism to attack anyone who dares to defend trans rights as someone who condones sexual assault I do not in fact as a surviour of sexual assault I find that extremely offensive. Anyone trans or otherwise who commits any kind of sexual assault deserves to be castrated and strung up. Maybe one way around the shared changing room or toilet issue would be to have single cubicles or toilets as we do at our charity so it doesn’t matter who uses them because there’s only u on there. As a parent and someone who works with children who have been absued I can totally understand the argument for parents wanting to know who the child is sharing a changing room with. Personally I wouldn’t allow my son or my nieces who I regularly look after our without a grown up until they were of teenager age and then allow in groups of friends.

I’ve no doubt that this post will either be ignored or removed as mums net seems to remove anything that resembles some who supports the rights of trans people but just as the people who use feminism to try and erode or stand Agasint trans rights I to have the right to express my opinion.

The debate of feminism and trans issues needs to be less toxic and more about open discussion and tolerance of others opinions will allowing healthy debate because trans people are people and have the same right to be heard and to be given the same freedoms as any other member of society. Do I think that all feminists are transphobic absolutely not and neither do I believe that all of the trans community min are good people. There’s good and bad in everyone and every group of society but since when is that a justification for the discrimination of a whole part of society

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PertEllaTitsahoy · 05/04/2020 17:33

I know you are but what am I..?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2020 17:33

It's like someone shitting on their own bed and laughing at me because the toilet is still clean.

Best. Analogy. Ever.

R0wantrees · 05/04/2020 17:34

PertElla Is that question to me? Confused

R0wantrees · 05/04/2020 17:35

It's like someone shitting on their own bed and laughing at me because the toilet is still clean.

Best. Analogy. Ever.

These both ^ ^

Star Star

TinselAngel · 05/04/2020 17:36

I'm just back from a lovely walk

I suppose I should go for a Boris walk while we still can.

PertEllaTitsahoy · 05/04/2020 17:37

R0, no, you snuck in there!

It was just a general response to the whole 'your just bullys' vibe going on Grin

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2020 17:38

Yes please, I'd be interested to know which charity OP.

OP posted it below and I found the link, it's called "Say It". They're very lucky to have the OP.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2020 17:40

Is boat maintenance considered essential under lockdown? Asking for a friend.

Datun · 05/04/2020 17:40

Anyone else notice that as soon as the woman started to talk amongst themselves the OP was all like bye terfs.

It's one thing is identifying something you're not, it's quite another being able to maintain it.

Datun · 05/04/2020 17:41

*as something

RedDogsBeg · 05/04/2020 17:41

Well that whiled a few lockdown hours. How dispiriting it must be to come onto a forum and spout your illogical, dangerous and ludicrous ideology expecting people to bow down to it and find it intelligently picked apart and exposed for what it is. The fact none of these visitors can ever rebut questions or debate points raised with anything logical or factual and just resort to insults or incomprehensible nonsense tells you everything you need to know about this TRA agenda and the ones pushing it.

R0wantrees · 05/04/2020 17:43

OP posted it below and I found the link, it's called "Say It". They're very lucky to have the OP.

Thanks

Sheffield?

sayit.org.uk/

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2020 17:44

Yes I think that's the one.

chilling19 · 05/04/2020 17:45

Well, that was fun. Off to cook sausage and mash.

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 17:51

Datun astute observation.

If I may posit a reason, some people are often socialized to 'hold court' - making a pronouncements and maintaining control of the ensuing conversation.

If the intended acolytes can't be arsed to play and start discussing mediocre science fiction and cooing over younger pictures of artistes, the attention payoff dries up and the one trying to hold court goes off to check their barge.

A lesson for us all, I think.

R0wantrees · 05/04/2020 17:55

R0, no, you snuck in there!

Grin

I shall stop side eying my neighbours Pert!

MrsSnippyPants · 05/04/2020 17:56

I think sometimes all that typing could have caused wrist strain so maybe they needed a break to go apply a splint, though it could be anything giving pain.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 05/04/2020 17:57

Say it boasts of running youth groups for LGBT children aged between 11 - 17 years old. Maybe that partially explains the OP's tenuous grasp of safeguarding?

MrsDoylesTeaBags · 05/04/2020 17:58

Very good points Datun and FloralBunting , or maybe their mum called them down for their tea?

Was all very bizarre, I normally give these threads the swerve but I've had a realy boring afternoon and this has been highly entertaining. Just weird that they can spout a whole load of BS and expect us to believe any of it.

Datun · 05/04/2020 18:01

If the intended acolytes can't be arsed to play and start discussing mediocre science fiction and cooing over younger pictures of artistes, the attention payoff dries up

Quite.

< mentally reminisces about recipe threads>

Datun · 05/04/2020 18:03

apply a splint, though it could be anything giving pain.

All that RSI. Ouch!

Thelnebriati · 05/04/2020 18:11

He Is Planet.

I've been saving that one for a speshul occasion, such indeed as this one.

R0wantrees · 05/04/2020 18:12

Say it boasts of running youth groups for LGBT children aged between 11 - 17 years old. Maybe that partially explains the OP's tenuous grasp of safeguarding?

Ben (GNC Centric) discussed her experiences of failures in Safeguarding & abuse at LGBT youth groups.

The familar abuse of power dynamics were sex & age based.

'Coersion & Abuse in the Gender ID Community'

'My Trans Youth Group Experience with Morgan Page'
4thwavenow.com/2019/01/26/my-trans-youth-group-experience-with-morgan-page/

**Morgan Page was employed by Stonewall

Times,
"Lottery thousands pay for former trans stripper to sway public opinion
After the £500,000 given to Mermaids, the same amount has gone to Stonewall to ‘empower transgender leaders’
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lottery-thousands-pay-for-former-trans-stripper-to-sway-public-opinion-6lw9xbwgr

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2020 18:16

There was an earlier poster, either a tad gullible or very invested in a certain agenda (and clearly not a fan of grammar or coherence) who congratulated the OP on a fantastic post.

PertEllaTitsahoy · 05/04/2020 18:18

If I may posit a reason,some peopleare often socialized to 'hold court' - making a pronouncements and maintaining control of the ensuing conversation.

Yes, like a lot of things, once you start seeing the pattern it's easier to spot the next time.

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