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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

What constitutes modern day feminism

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katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 10:45

What does it mean to be a feminist in the 21st century? When I and indeed the members of my family who I would consider to be feminist were growing up it was about fighting for equal rights for women such as equal pay and better representation of women in high powered jobs and given that the Labour Party has yet again elected a male leader says to me that there is still along way to go. However I and my family members find ourselves becoming more and more uncomfortable with what some might call the more extreme side of feminism.

I fear that certain views of feminism are allowing a rather unhealthy and quite hateful form especially in relation to trans rights. As a member of the lgbt community and although I’m not trans myself I do have friends who are and I also volunteer for a local charity who support and offer counselling to trans teenagers. I see first hand the damage done by the attitudes promoted and supported by some sections of the feminist community dressed up under the guise of ‘free speech’. The trans right issue is a complex one. I don’t think children should be allowed to transition or be given hormone blockers to prevent puberty because I’m not convinced a child has the maturity to make those kind of life changing decisions although that doesn’t mean I don’t believe that children can’t be trans because I see it everyday through my work with the charity and it’s a fact of great shame that at least 70% of young trans have self harmed or tried to commit suicide because of the prejudice they face.

The biggest contentious issue appears to be that of self indentification. I fail to see how it erodes my rights as a women if a trans person chooses to self identify and personally I find the notion that people chose to self identify because they want to harm others somewhat far fetched. Yes I accept that there are some sick indivuals that do this but the fact is the majority of sex offenders offend as men not men who are self identifying as female or the other wan around. I remember mixed sex changing rooms when I was growing up and I don’t remember a vast increase in sexual assay because of it.

Now despite being accused of it on here several times by people who hide behind the guise of feminism to attack anyone who dares to defend trans rights as someone who condones sexual assault I do not in fact as a surviour of sexual assault I find that extremely offensive. Anyone trans or otherwise who commits any kind of sexual assault deserves to be castrated and strung up. Maybe one way around the shared changing room or toilet issue would be to have single cubicles or toilets as we do at our charity so it doesn’t matter who uses them because there’s only u on there. As a parent and someone who works with children who have been absued I can totally understand the argument for parents wanting to know who the child is sharing a changing room with. Personally I wouldn’t allow my son or my nieces who I regularly look after our without a grown up until they were of teenager age and then allow in groups of friends.

I’ve no doubt that this post will either be ignored or removed as mums net seems to remove anything that resembles some who supports the rights of trans people but just as the people who use feminism to try and erode or stand Agasint trans rights I to have the right to express my opinion.

The debate of feminism and trans issues needs to be less toxic and more about open discussion and tolerance of others opinions will allowing healthy debate because trans people are people and have the same right to be heard and to be given the same freedoms as any other member of society. Do I think that all feminists are transphobic absolutely not and neither do I believe that all of the trans community min are good people. There’s good and bad in everyone and every group of society but since when is that a justification for the discrimination of a whole part of society

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FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 16:51

Quantum Leap was one of my guilty pleasures, back in the day.

Well, I'd like to pretend otherwise myself, but given my last couple of posts, I think my credibility would be in tatters. Quantum Leap. Basically Doctor Who for really sentimental and right on Americans. And me at 15.

TinselAngel · 05/04/2020 16:52

Liz Taylor? Oh no that was National Velvet.

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 05/04/2020 16:52

I use guilty in a Pomo sort of way, obvs, Tinsel

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 16:55

Mind you, QL was a bit transphobic if you think about it. All those times Sam was teetering along in heels and wearing slap and we were meant to think it was funny.

HorseRadishFemish · 05/04/2020 16:55

Have I missed anything?

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 05/04/2020 16:55

And the funny thing is that Scott Bakula now plays Dwayne Pride in NCIS New Orleans.

It’s almost as if dressing up in a set of clothes and being called another name doesn’t actually make you, literally, another person.

Who knew?!

TinselAngel · 05/04/2020 16:56

How do you know it's not Sam Becket?

HorseRadishFemish · 05/04/2020 16:57

I love it here. I've just clicked who ladyQ was! Erm..welcome back!

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 05/04/2020 16:58

All those times Sam was teetering along in heels and wearing slap and we were meant to think it was funny.

Ooh, I know! I’m sure Mr Bakula wouldn’t go along with that now. He strikes me as having (white) male saviour complex, actually. Has anyone else ever had that feeling? Based off his relationships with female co-stars on NCIS NO?

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 17:01

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2020 17:02
Grin
Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2020 17:02

"I see your true colours, shining through" 🎶

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 05/04/2020 17:03

How do you know it's not Sam Becket?

Is that one of those conundrums along the lines of the tree falling in the forest with no one to hear it so did it really fall?

Or something like that.,,

MarieQueenofScots · 05/04/2020 17:03

Nobody is wound up apart from you OP Smile

You’ve made a lockdown afternoon rather entertaining.

I think. I mean the posts weren’t coherent but still.

MarieQueenofScots · 05/04/2020 17:04

Oh and please, please don’t eschew the comma.

Grammarphobe.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2020 17:04

How are we supposed to "be out loving our lives" (sic) during an international pandemic and a national lockdown?

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 05/04/2020 17:05

But... but... don’t you want to stay and have a civil debate about Quantum Leap, Katie/Lisa/random TRA people?

How... odd

TinselAngel · 05/04/2020 17:05

Mumsnet the social media platform for terfs homophobes bullies and middle class mums

3rd rule of misogyny: women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2020 17:06

Perhaps you mean your specific set of reproductive organs allows you to have kids, without ever making it at all possible that you might have a miscarriage?

That's a definite possibility I think!

Seventyone72seventy3 · 05/04/2020 17:06

If u had lives u would be out loving them
Oooh, maybe this would have actually been halfway cutting if we weren't in the middle of a pandemic with people stuck at home! Grin Oh well, thanks for the entertainment OP. Don't think you've managed to wind anyone up with your half-baked attempt at a debate but at least we all know what having an A* in GCSE English means!

TinselAngel · 05/04/2020 17:07

And we've now got 500 posts left to discuss Quantum Leap!

PositiveVibez · 05/04/2020 17:08

If u had lives u would be out loving them

Once again, showing your great intellect.

HorseRadishFemish · 05/04/2020 17:09

Dean Stockwell!

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 17:09

Dr Sam Beckett was always a total choir boy. Al said so a number of times. One of my favourite episodes was when they switched places.

Oh, is Bespin off? Must be time to ice the canal boat.

littlbrowndog · 05/04/2020 17:09

Cripes awesome last adios from the OP. 😝🤣🤣🤣🤣

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