Angela Rayner says you can only be a Labour member if you believe TWAW

[jadefinch]

And has effectively also said that Women's Place and the LGB Alliance (essentially groups for women, gays and lesbians to meet and discuss women's, gay and lesbian issues) are hate groups and them meeting are hate crimes

What's twaw?

Allow me:

It means Trans Women (male people) Are Women and there is literally no difference between someone born male who says they feel like a woman and someone who actually is a woman.

I would like for Angela Rayner to write to every member of the Labour Party to tell them that she thinks that the intact male paedophile rapist Karen White/Stephen Wood should be jailed in a women's prison, which is the logical consequence of TWAW#nodebate because you cannot deny someone's gender identity under this ideology, and that any Labour member who disagrees should be expelled.

I think the outcome of such a letter would be entertaining.

I suppose when trans women start demanding cervical smear tests on non existent female organs and GPs who won't perform it are prosecuted as transphobes, common sense might prevail. Not banking on it though.

"I have an outie cervix that just happens to look kind of like a penis! Don't just me you bigot!"

Anyone heard of gay men being told transmen are men, and therefore they should be attracted to them as men regardless of them actually being women?

Yes, OnABeach - look up The Boxer Ceiling on Facebook. He documents it. Apparently one of the things 'trans men' get when they transition is an appalling sense of entitlement. It's maddening reading - exactly what you might expect would happen when the petulance of a teen who has never heard a firm no from an authority is mixed with doses of testosterone.

Anyone heard of gay men being told transmen are men, and therefore they should be attracted to them as men regardless of them actually being women?

Quite a lot of gay men on this subreddit (link below) whose membership has rocketed up to 12k in recent months. From what I can gather that's mostly due to ideological takeover of all or the majority of gay subreddits. It's been a while coming because of course the lesbian subreddits were the first to fall.

Complaints range from draconian thought policing and instabans for being even slightly pro reality to annoyance at vulva pics (reframed as boi clits/dinky dicks and other such nonsense) being allowed in NSFW dick pic subreddits.

Clearly they're not getting half as much hassle as women especially IRL but a few are obviously having issues in friendship circles. There's also quite a few posts screenshot from social media with insane trans homophobia aimed at gay men that wouldn't be out of place somewhere like the Westbro Bapist Church.

www.reddit.com/r/LGBDropTheT/

James Kirkup has a comment piece in The Times

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/af9d1948-4dd6-11ea-92ed-35f8fca55a87?shareToken=c4dda3f640b770d984729fdd6304c6fc

There is a serious debate to be had about sex and gender. Leadership on this issue means acknowledging complexity and removing fuel from the fires that engulf it. In pursuit of her party’s leadership, Long Bailey instead chose to pour petrol on the flames

Thank you, James.

"boi clit"

Well I think I've heard everything now.

I just had a quick look at that reddit page, and they're talking about the photos doing the rounds on twitter of a transman and a transwoman - and trying to make out that we're mad to think lesbians will be attracted to the transman & vv.

It's crazy - a couple of well-posed photos hiding the mastectomy scars, for example, aren't going to mean that 1) those people pass well irl, 2) that this person is actually male, and 3) certainly isn't going to mean that a gay man will want to have sex with a transman with a vagina. Or a "boi clit" - who do they think they're kidding? This is absolutely homophobia.

Lisa Nandy just talked about the Pledge on R4 Today, and has touted the exact same arguments as Jo Swinson. Except she used "race" as the comparison, instead of "violent lesbians"

She started talking about Eritrean boy soldiers

Lisa Nandy: "If you start from the position that TWAW, a I do...."

Twitter: 'If you start from the position' that 0=1 you can say and do anything.

Quite.

DS rushes through and gave me a hug - even DH took over making breakfast and gave me a kiss. I was yelling at the radio. I confess I didn’t hear it all because I was having a bit of a rage.

That person has lost the plot. She is no friend to women. The Labour Party is dead.

If you start from the position that the moon is made of green cheese you still can't eat it on a cracker.

I have tweeted (again) my (Labour) MP who is curiously avoiding the issue.

I am so beyond angry I might have an aneurysm. How dare these people? How DARE they call women a hate group? How dare they slander us for wanting to protect our existing legal rights? How dare they use such moronic comparisons such as violent lesbians and Eritrean soldiers (WTF?!) and expect to be taken seriously?

The Labour Party is dead. The one positive is that this guarantees no self ID as the tories won't touch it with a ten foot barge pole. Considering the problems the SNP has they'd be wise to quietly drop it too.

Their group is the hate group actually. That’s where I’ve seen the attacks and threats coming from.

‘I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it any more’

Quite right. Labour is a hate group, riddled with misogyny and anti-semitism. You can add class hatred to that to - both towards the rich and the problematically unwoke working classes.

Just saw this on Twitter.

And the cockless women carry on doing the drudge work.

If you start from the position that the moon is made of green cheese you still can't eat it on a cracker.
Thanks for making me laugh - I need it.

Do Long Bailey, Nandy and Thornberry not realise that they've just made themselves hostages to the TWA lobby? If one of them wins they will have their feet held in the fire until they've carried out that pledge.
I absolutely cannot wait to see one of those pipsqueaks try and expel Ruth Serwotka.

Ruth Serwotka's take on the leadership contest:

www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=783031588871168&id=100014930011975

It’s very concerning to think where the faithful will be asked to commit their pledge to next. Because we all know validation and solidarity is never enough- loyalty must be constantly proven and re-proven.

thanks for the Ruth Serwotka fb piece - I've shared it on my timeline

I couldn't see that FB piece - is it still there or only available to FB members?

not sure - I'm on FB, so perhaps that's why I got it