Old Vic Loos

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Yay to double the loos - cos queueing for the ladies in the interval is a right faff
But, what, no actual ladies loos? - NO ACTUAL WOMEN ONLY LOOS
twitter.com/oldvictheatre/status/1179336786537005057 - thread
"The Old Vic @oldvictheatre
Our loos now offer ‘self-selection’ rather than being labelled male or female. This takes a descriptive, rather than prescriptive, approach following advice from surveys conducted with focus groups."

Just mentioned the urinals to a man... the penny dropped. Apparently men will run out screaming if women - and especially little girls - come in when they are using them. Duh

Right!

There's our action plan.

Wherever we see the "Toilets with cubicles" and "Toilets with cubicles and urinals" we use the latter. As is our absolute right.

Sauce for the goose ...

I don’t agree with it, but I work in London theatre and go to the theatre several times a week, and the vast majority of (non-West End) London theatre-goers are “woke”.

I go to the theatre several times a month and I'd say the majority are progressive but know better than to suggest they don't swallow all parts of woke ideology and very few the blue haired (a short-hand term) are in attendance. (Maybe they go to those theatres having a reputation as being woke.)

Next week's trip is the RC so I'll see how that audience demographic looks.

Just mentioned the urinals to a man... the penny dropped. Apparently men will run out screaming if women - and especially little girls - come in when they are using them.

Somehow I think if this was something we did - like Man Friday - on principle, it would be a very short time before it was confirmed that toilets with urinals and cubicles were for people with penises only, it was just the women who needed to deal with unisex facilities.

If the urinal containing toilets reverted to single gender, then I think a great many genderfree women might feel they had a right to choose. That is how it works after all.

Well in theory. Lets be honest, in practice it's more often heads people born with penises win, tails people born with XX chromosomes lose. Double standards are no problem throughout most of the Woke agenda.

However I'm very definitely up for not enabling the unisex experience to be more comfortable for men than women, particularly on behalf of the women with faith/disability/trauma/culture who have been excluded completely in a situation which identifies as inclusive, and lacks passing privilege.

I don't know if anyone has already commented, but I'm pleased to report that there are plenty of mixed sex toilets at the Royal Albert Hall. Wokeness hasn't reached this far into Kensington.

Haha I meant single sex! Doh.

Sarah Ditum:

"Just spent twenty minutes on the phone angrily telling the features ed - who approached me, commissioned me, and to whom I made myself available for any rewrites all for a derisory 50 quid fee (important enough issue to take a hit on the rate, I thought) - that he's a coward"

twitter.com/sarahditum/status/1181213886151892992?s=19

"Unbelievable as it seems, the issue of whether women should have toilets is incendiary. I agreed to write for the Stage in good faith, believing they intended to give a platform to an important conversation. That was my mistake and god do I regret it."

"You can read the column here, on my website, and decide for yourself whether @TheStage was right to pull it without even forewarning me t.co/zacpsltCJQ "

"Btw I've donated my fee to @nia_endingVAWG, who do incredible work"

Just seen the grovelling apology made by OV. Probably due to the massive TRA pile on. Idiots.

Funny how an article calling for consideration to everyone gets TRA’s immediately calling people nasty names and hurling insults about being anti-trans. very selfish and self centred behaviour on show for all to see.

Is it half term already?

So, I was reading through the thread under the OVs grovelling, and I'm a little confused. There are obviously feminists pulling for single sex provision. But there are also people demanding no gender neutral loos who are also throwing TERF round as an insult. So I'm seeing a split between Enby activists who love the mixed sex loos, and Trans activists who are angry about losing the validation involved in being in a toilet designated for the female sex. Seriously, these people have such trouble finding a coherent argument, I doubt they could find their arse with both hands.

BeMoreMagdalen

I'm confused because I can't find any sign of the Old Vic grovelling?

Non binary and transgender aims and agendas are fundamentally contradictory at heart.

They’ve tweeted an apology for commissioning two articles. They felt they wanted to show both ‘sides’ of the debate.

That have now said it was a mistake and they are so sorry to have stirred up such a sensitive subject.

In other words they’ve given in to the bullies. And we know which commissioned piece got them frothing. Cowards.

Humber was that to me?

The Stage have tweeted an apology. The Old Vic don't seem to be "grovelling" about anything. The last comment I can find is the non-statement from last week?

I am go to the theatre several times a month and often to the old vic. I will not go to theatres who have mixed toilets because men make a mess.

Maybe if women just wandered on crying ‘oooh its a willy’ and the classic cry (in response to a flasher) of ‘ooooo it looks like a penis - but much smaller’

Yes, Autumn, you're quite right, it was The Stage, not the OV. Any comment on the odd conflict of aims among the Trans Enby activists, which aside from my lack of concentration was the point of my post?

Apologies I’m in two threads and getting mixed up!

Autumn yes sorry I meant The Stage tweeted an apology. Not OV.

" Any comment on the odd conflict of aims among the Trans Enby activists"

I view them as individual comments? Different people are going to have different views of course.

Yes, I suppose so. There are definitely women clearly devoted to screwing over the boundaries and rights of other women, and some of them even call themselves feminists when they do it, so yes, everyone does have an individual opinion.

I just think this is the first time I've the more belligerent wokesters, who would both agree that nasty feminists who say no to any man at all, however he sees himself, are 'terfs', openly having very different responses to an Anti-Woman action, for their different reasons.

We don't have to go in to the loos with urinals.

We just have to stand outside them and explain to arriving men that there may be women and children in there, and ask them to go elsewhere. (There is, obviously, no "elsewhere").

Make men complain about the lack of single sex loos too.

(It seems to me that a substantial majority of men will want not to intrude on women and children, and if there are any that would want to, being forced to announce that in public will filter out quite of few of them).