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The Times: Scouts earn U-turn badge after scrapping trans policy

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TimeLady · 26/05/2019 06:16

Andrew Gilligan again. Could this be the turning point?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/scouts-earn-u-turn-badge-after-scrapping-trans-policy-w6rnxbflc?shareToken=dc09effc06301868a86f76ddd096ed39

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HandsOffMyRights · 26/05/2019 06:30

Hurrah!
Thank you for sharing and thanks to Andrew again. And thanks to the Scouts.

boldlygoingsomewhere · 26/05/2019 06:36

Wonder if Girl Guides will also review their policy?

emerencealwayshopeful · 26/05/2019 06:49

Girl guides is likely too deep down the rabbit hole. Though one can always hope.

Hooray for a positive change. If scouts can do it maybe some schools can too. And then more.

donquixotedelamancha · 26/05/2019 07:10

Great to hear what sounds like sensible, moderate change.

Anyone know the details of the changes?

CigarsofthePharoahs · 26/05/2019 07:27

Someone in the scouts has actually listened then. And not only that, but thought it through.
Bout time.

EweSurname · 26/05/2019 07:40

Amazing news!

Adding sex to the list of protected characteristics, removing most references to Mermaids and most importantly, dropping confidential disclosures and reverting back to information sharing, is just fantastic news to wake up to!

LizzieSiddal · 26/05/2019 07:55

That’s amazing news.

Let’s hope other organisations follow suit.

AnyOldPrion · 26/05/2019 08:03

Girl guides is likely too deep down the rabbit hole.

Guiding was always going to be under more political pressure, very much like any other organisation or service that’s for females only.

But I love the way that article is written. The Overton window is moving back, and the paper is reporting this as if the original changes were some aberration, which anyone can see, with hindsight, were deeply flawed.

Gingernaut · 26/05/2019 08:13

Guiding is mainly women and girls.

Coincidence?

HermioneWeasley · 26/05/2019 08:16

Good news, but I don’t think they should be mocked for seeing sense - don’t want any other organisations to be put off by having it described as “earning a U turn badge”

MrsJamin · 26/05/2019 08:18

This is good news 🎉

HigaDequasLuoff · 26/05/2019 08:19

Excellent article and excellent news

RubberTreePlant · 26/05/2019 08:22

It's something, but male spaces have never really been the issue.

WeWantJustice · 26/05/2019 08:24

It's excellent news.

Although of course men and boys are going to have more power to defend their own spaces than are women and girls, this is still a massive signal to other organisations that maybe they might need to look again at what they're doing.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 26/05/2019 08:26

What and where have they actually changed?

members.scouts.org.uk/supportresources/4228/supporting-trans-young-people?cat=377,378&moduleID=10

Links to Mermaids, says that trans children must be allowed to use the toilets and facilities of the gender they identify with...

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TimeLady · 26/05/2019 08:33

Good point ItsAllGoingToBeFine

The message doesn't seem to have been passed on to the web team. We should keep an eye on that.

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Destinysdaughter · 26/05/2019 08:54

That is such brilliant news! And great comments under the article too.

MindTheMinotaur · 26/05/2019 09:04

Anyoldprion yes good points, what a depressing pattern.

Well done Scouts though and thanks to Andrew Gilligan for reporting.

JackyHolyoake · 26/05/2019 09:10

Yes, this is very good news indeed.

Andrew Gilligan, thank you!

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 26/05/2019 09:16

Keep PUUUULLLLLLING!

Great news.

JustAnotherWoman · 26/05/2019 09:37

That's good news, sadly I don't think girl guides will change their policy until there's a scandal but now they won't be able to say everyone had the same policy as an excuse

teawamutu · 26/05/2019 10:24

Great point, Prion - the 'backing away from batshittery' tone is most useful.

Satterthwaite · 26/05/2019 10:34

I really like 1984 person in the comments, obviously one of us Grin

AlwaysComingHome · 26/05/2019 13:17

Girl guides is likely too deep down the rabbit hole.

Girl Guides were always going to be a priority for TRAs because they have Girl in the title.

Anything with Girl, Women, Female or Ladies in the title is a TRA magnet.