The Times: Scouts earn U-turn badge after scrapping trans policy

[TimeLady]

Andrew Gilligan again. Could this be the turning point?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/scouts-earn-u-turn-badge-after-scrapping-trans-policy-w6rnxbflc?shareToken=dc09effc06301868a86f76ddd096ed39

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www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-ideology-is-damaging-children-k5nlhwmc8?shareToken=8bc3fa75e8507a2f52990ce315cab4e7

No doubt there will be a quickly cobbled together vauge nonspecific "trans rights are human rights" letter soon.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/scientists-fail-exam-board-for-confusing-sex-and-gender-drxq3q2x6

There is also an article about Edexel changing the term sex to gender in GCSE science exams so that students would better understand the question (and marking them wrong if they give the correct answer ). Anyone got a token?

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www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3601670-gcse-biology

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Scout news from today
scouts.org.uk/news/2019/june/scouts-for-all/

I still have concerns around this wording

We’ve also expanded our guidance to support volunteers to give young people the chance to speak with others if they feel this will help, but only if the young person has agreed. Respecting their confidentiality is crucial. This approach enables effective conversations with young people and, where appropriate, carers and parents. We are clear that if you have any child protection concerns leaders must follow our yellow Card safeguarding code of practice

Respecting confidentiality of young people shouldn't ever take precedence over safeguarding.

From the guidance.

Reassure the young person that you will not share this personal information with others (including volunteers, members, parents/carers) without their permission, unless you have concerns for their welfare or safety.

I think the wording is fine. It's the same thing teachers get. The first thing we say to a kid is: we will respect your confidentiality but if we think you are at any risk of harm we will have to tell the appropriate person.

The Yellow Card throughout this has consistently emphasised the need to report any safeguarding concerns. It has never specified what constitutes a safeguarding concern or said anything about trans issues.

You respect a young person's confidentiality by not gossiping about it. This does not prevent you reporting a concern in the appropriate manner and to the appropriate people.

Oh FGS the Scouting Guidance is still awash with Koolaid!

'assigned male at birth', using the (normally sex-segregated) facilities of their choice, asking them what would make them feel comfortable (and ignoring what would make the others feel uncomfortable), not disclosing to parents the presence of a trans-identifying member. No mention of looking after someone wearing a binder.

We were so relieved and so hopeful, but it turns out to be a lot of pie in the sky.

it turns out to be a lot of pie in the sky

Yes, because it's all planned and is from the top down. We won't stop it.

We just have to keep informing and educating, laws only work if people follow them.

JellySlice it's worth looking at quite how bad it was before they updated www.transgendertrend.com/scout-association-new-transgender-guidance-big-step-forward/

I agree it's still not great but the direction of travel is good and the fact that it exposes how much rubbish Mermaids has got away with putting into orgs guidance because the orgs weren't paying attention.

That article is awful though "Speaking to some of our volunteers and young people we know that terminology can sometimes be confusing if you’ve never encountered it before."

No that's not the only thing volunteers, parents and young people were concerned about

People spoke to Scouts about their concern over the "complete confidentiality" safeguarding loophole, about the promotion of binding, about the fact that it didn't pay attention to other children's privacy.....