Trans Porn (she-cock, she-male, etc.)

[YetAnotherSpartacus]

Recently I had two encounters with trans porn. One was on here when a trans poster introduced the word 'she-cock' (I think it was) and another was when I tripped over someone IRL who writes trans porn. I've also been chatting with lesbian women who have left the 'queer' scene because they don't feel safe and a couple of gay men who have left because 'kink' and 'fetish has replaced 'gay' under the label of 'queer', which has got so broad that it includes almost anyone these days (but obviously excludes a lot too). I got curious.

Anyway, I took one for the team and did some research. I was actually shocked at what I saw - and I'm not (that) naive. I was shocked at the content and at the prevalence. I was disturbed because much of this porn is produced by individuals (amateur) and distributed on private twitter accounts and the like (from what I can tell it's very 'Jess Bradley' - the individuals concerned posting not for money but because they get off on exhibitionism.

This is NSFW - but it's one example

twitter.com/lisadumonde?lang=en

Here's another (equally NSFW)

www.reddit.com/r/transporn/.

Obviously, there are also copious commercial sites - pornhub and the like.

These are not individuals who are dysphoric though, from what I can see. They are individuals who get off on having tits and a cock and from seeing other individuals with tits and cock.

Disturbingly, when I looked up 'how to write trans porn', I found site after site that was more about fetish and kink than anything else - like this one www.sugarbutch.net/2015/11/best-queer-sex-blogs/ and quite a few like this one NSFW queer-oranges.tumblr.com/post/57189374716/tips-on-writing-porn-with-a-trans-character-in-it whre the main theme was 'acceptance' (the partner 'not knowing' but having sex anyway - and, obviously, enjoying it much more than ever before).

This leads me to a few tentative thoughts. One - I think we should introduce such porn to MPs whrn discussing self ID. Second, what Stonewall and others are doing by including 'kink' in with traditionally oppressed sexual minorities is really quite dangerous. Third, I really don't want to share my intimate spaces (toilets, changerooms) with some of the voyeur individuals above. Not that I'm advertising my own post :), but I've also posted about Planet Fitness and how the trans individual in the changeroom wasn't even using the gym at the time and also described herself thusly on social media

"I will be a male Slut-in-training on a leash held my mistress, Madame Domino, with a mask made of 2 pair of black panties covering my face and most of my head under a lurid black/red wig, with my ankles, knees and wrists tied together so I can only hobble helplessly in her wake…"

Thoughts?

On Page 2 longtimelurkingtrans wrote this

I've stumbled across it and they mainly seem to be from foreign countries where you have to buy your own healthcare from HRT right through to life saving drugs. I'm of the mind that they are financially exploited and forced into sex work

I'm curious. What do others think? Is this happening? If so, is it mainly on pornhub and similar? A lot of the pictures and gifs I saw (I drew the line at videos) seemed mainly about self-expression (exhibitionism and fetish) rather than earning money.

MirandaYardley said:
As an aside, you will notice the online trans communities are awash with pornographic imagery and that the pro-trans lobby is aligned with the prostitution lobby.

The association between all of them has been there for a long time - the pro-trans, pro-porn, pro-prostitution lobbies. Which was probably my first tip-off that this was another male-demand-led 'movement'.

The icons of anime waifus were a bit of a clue for me. If that's your idealized self-image and the focus of your erotic obsessions...

The icons of anime waifus were a bit of a clue for me

And for the hard of modernity this is? (???)

A lot of the pictures and gifs I saw (I drew the line at videos) seemed mainly about self-expression (exhibitionism and fetish) rather than earning money.

I followed a very long, detailed account of a New Zealander going to Asia for 'vaginoplasty'. Apparently the end goal of this was to take their 'brand new pussy' and, to put it politely, prostitute it in Sydney, with as many men as possible. I don't believe it was about the money, but about the 'fantasy'.

Hmm. Can fake vaginas get STDs?

You know when you see a Twitter or Tumblr account and the picture is of a cutesy cartoon girl, who is often creepily sexualized despite appearing to be about 12 years old? That.

I imagine that fake vaginas can get STDs. No reason they couldn't?

AAK - ah! I don't hang in those places but I've seen what you mean - and yes they do creep me out paedophilia anyone?

Some particularly sad individuals also purchase large pillows with the waifu printed on them and carry them around, because if you're going to be a creep why not make sure everyone knows?

Seriously though, it's almost ubiquitous among transwomen of a certain age and set of interests.

YetAnotherSpartacus
Yes the fetish crowd from these shores are very active but that's not just a trans thing although they do us a huge disservice as most folks will think trans =kink,
I was just thinking aloud, so perhaps I'm wrong in equating folks from outside UK/EU nations are exploited into it for financial survival due to lack of social health care or social security,

No fetish definitely does not equal trans. The fetish community isn't just about trans and not all trans people are into fetish. However, the move to open the gates and doors to women's private and sex segregated spaces will include those for whom their fetish is associated with trans - the types we have been describing on this thread for whom bodily modification is a buzz, who enjoy exhibitionism or have other kinks. These are not the people I think women should have to share spaces with. I also think that for many access to the spaces is a sexual buzz in itself. I've lived my life being wary of sexual assault, even scared at times (every time I walk alone at night) and I do not want a situation where I and other girls and women are put into a situation of more danger. This isn't just about men exploiting loopholes to access our spaces. It is about some people with functioning penises who identify as trans and who have a predilection or addiction to a sexual buzz from behaviours that are disturbing or threatening to us having access to our spaces. This narrative is being lost in the current TRA narrative of all trans women (are women) and are vulnerable, potentially suicidal individuals needing access to women's spaces either to protect them from men or for their fragile mental health.

YetAnotherSpartacus
I share your concerns about the self ID opening the door to women's spaces to those who equate trans with kink or claiming to be trans when it suits to meet their sexual gratification. I fully respect and stay out of womens spaces from toilets to changing rooms etc and fully understand and support the call to these areas reserved for women given that many have suffered at the hands of men

People keep talking about opening the gates but they are already. People can already say they ID as trans if they want to.

I don't think they are completely open. But I definitely think we need to shut them again.

How will they be opened more? Anyone who wants to now could walk into a changing room and say they're transgender.

I was recently shown a picture of the newly fashionable combo dick'n'vag genitals.

It bore a striking resemblence to the maimed mole my dog once presented me with. Most distressing.

And yy to the link with porn and to doedoe's cracking post above.

I was recently shown a picture of the newly fashionable combo dick'n'vag genitals

I couldn't look. I don't have a strong stomach.

TBH if men what to do whatever to their bodies in terms of extreme modification (which I would class this as) then have at it but they need to leave us out of it.

TBH if men what to do whatever to their bodies in terms of extreme modification (which I would class this as) then have at it but they need to leave us out of it

Oh I agree (although I still think that medical ethics has failed if it allows such modifications) - my main issue in starting this was to point out the connection between some individuals who identify as women and kink. Leaving us out of it includes not insisting they are women and keeping the fuck out of our spaces.

Indeed. Having a perversion doesn't turn a male female - it makes him threatening to women.

Stay the fuck out of our spaces.

They aren't women.

Women are way way less into any of this sort of thing.

Like most (all?) bizarre sexual behaviours (fetishes) it is an almost / totally exclusively male domain.

Nothing to do with women. These people are not women. They are kinky porn addled list ticking sex obsessed men.

did that need commas lol

didn't realise list would keep going like that!

like all the adult baby and furry stuff

women have no time for that shit. only women involved are the poor bastards persuaded / paid to disclipline / change the nappies of the gross little fuckers

I am AOK with kink shaming by the way not kink shaming is so last year. I am more than happy to lambast and take the piss out of any and all creepy weirdo men who do this weird shit.

We'll be going into the baby changing bogs with out kids and fidnding 20stone neckbeards propped up on the changers weraing bin bags full of shit waiting for us...

lol not lol

Happened in a university some poor nurse got persuaded to change a pervy weirdo's nappy
But teh scond time she said no way and one of them is sueing. Could be either or both. Only one has a case. According to me. According to the pomo identitiy crowd she's a bitch who needs to DIAF for committign literal violence by not recognising his totally valid identity. Obvs.

With OUR kids

that should say!

Kink is dysfunctional, fucked-up, often harmful weirdness.

Keep it private and behind closed doors so no one else needs to know about it.

If you let people know about it in public then you deserve to have the piss taken.

Although having said that, most of them get off on the humiliation and shaming don't they?

They wank if you do, wank if you don't.

It's a double bind.