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Motion against Liverpool ReSisters by Liverpool City Council

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LiverpoolReSisters · 13/09/2018 11:59

Council motion can be found here: councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=305&MId=16817&Ver=4

Our reply:

Dear Councillors,

I am writing to you on behalf of a group of local women who have grave concerns about the government’s proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act 2004.

The government have recently launched a consultation on changes to this law which will effectively render women’s sex-based rights under the Equality Act 2010 redundant. Under the proposals for ‘self identification’ or ‘self ID’ of gender, any person can legally change their sex by simply signing a form, with no checks or balances. This has many consequences for our community, and we feel some of our Council representatives have not considered the full implications of this issue and have made hasty public comments as a result. The motion put forward by these council members is well-meaning, but has clearly not been assessed for the wider impact it will have on the community they represent.

We would like to comment on item 14 in the City Council Meeting Agenda, dated Wednesday 19 September, 2018.

“Hate crime can be devastating for victims and their families and has the potential to divide and damage communities and neighbourhoods.”

We, as members of the group Liverpool ReSisters, agree that hate crime has the potential to divide and damage individuals and communities.

As defined on gov.uk, a hate crime is a crime committed against someone because of their disability, gender-identity, race, religion or belief, or sexual orientation.

Is Liverpool City Council accusing Liverpool ReSisters of a hate crime? Naming our group in the Agenda item directly below this commentary is a clear effort to tie our name with criminal activity.

“A hateful campaign has been set up by Liverpool ReSisters that has seen stickers regarding Trans women and gender recognition defacing public art works and buildings across Merseyside.”

We would like to point out the following facts:

  1. We have not “set up” a “hateful campaign”. On August 17 2018, Liverpool ReSisters tweeted a picture of a packet of unused stickers that stated the biological truth, “Women don’t have penises”. At this point, media attention came our way, and we were reported to the Merseyside Police for a hate crime. Apparently this is still under investigation, with the professed assistance of Mayor Joe Anderson .
  1. On August 18 2018, Liverpool ReSisters tweeted 4 pictures of one sticker on one Antony Gormley statue on Crosby beach, and one sticker on one information placard about the statues. There is no evidence of these objects being defaced by stickers which – by their very nature – are easily removed by anyone with the wherewithal to do so. Crosby beach is within the boundaries of Sefton, and to our knowledge, no other stickers have been reported to be found in areas “across Merseyside”.
  1. Liverpool ReSisters does not feel these stickers condone hatred towards anyone, but have served to raise awareness about the problems inherent in “self ID” and the fact that the government’s consultation on the proposed change to law is open to the public until 19 October 2018. (see consult.education.gov.uk/government-equalities-office/reform-of-the-gender-recognition-act/consultation/intro/ for more information)
  1. In our press release, which can be found on the homepage of our blog, we state the sincerely held belief that legislation must be drafted that benefits trans people, protects children, and upholds women’s rights. We refute the claim that any of these views are hateful in any way.

“The campaign has created a platform for some people to share offensive comments about the trans community particularly on social media”

Liverpool ReSisters do not own, run or moderate the content on social media platforms. We are not liable or responsible for any views other than our own, which we state clearly in our twitter and blog, and invite Liverpool City Councillors to view for themselves: @LiverpoolResis1 and www.liverpoolresisters.wordpress.com

We do remain anonymous on our twitter and blog accounts, because women have been attacked for expressing the view that women don’t have penises. Our group has been on the receiving end of many disturbingly hateful and violent messages. Please see the following blog post that shows clear examples of such behaviour:

liverpoolresisters.wordpress.com/2018/08/24/why-are-we-anonymous/

“Liverpool ReSisters do not recognise Transgender women as women”

Women don’t have penises. This is not hate speech, it is not transphobia, it is a simple statement of biological fact.

Many people are under the impression that the term ‘transgender’ is interchangeable with ‘transsexual’ – i.e. referring to people who have lived with severe gender dysphoria their entire lives, and embark on a social, medical, and surgical transition to live life as if they were the opposite sex. It is this tiny minority of people who the original Gender Recognition Act was there to help, and the reason why most people have always been supportive of trans rights, accepting of preferred pronouns and so on.

Stonewall (officially Stonewall Equality Limited) is a registered charity that lobbies UK government for changes in equality laws for lesbian, gay, bisexual and trans people. Stonewall defines trans as:

“Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, two-spirit, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.”

Over 80% of males who now identify as ‘trans’ never intend to make any bodily changes, so remain fully intact males, despite claiming a female identity.

To clarify, we share with Liverpool City Council the following dictionary definitions:

Male: of or denoting the sex that produces gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring

Female: of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which can be fertilized by male gametes

We repeat: Women don’t have penises. This is not hate speech, it is not transphobia, it is a simple statement of biological fact.

“There is no place in our city for hatred and bigotry”

Again, we require urgent clarification from Liverpool City Council – are Liverpool ReSisters being accused of a hate crime? Is the Council united in accusing us of hatred and bigotry, and on what grounds and evidence is being used for such an accusation?

“Liverpool is a haven for inclusivity, acceptance and tolerance and we are proud to stand with our LGBT+ community in their endeavour to strengthen their rights both here and around the world”

The goals and aims of Liverpool ReSisters is to raise awareness of the potential threat to sex based rights and women’s rights from current proposed changes to law. We live in a democratic society wherein we have the privilege to debate and discuss changes to law that will affect members of our society. Our main focus is on women’s rights. We are a women’s group.

Women and girls need spaces of their own for a variety of reasons, but principally because we continue to face male violence and harassment in public and in private spaces. The World Health Organisation calls violence against women and girls a “major public health problem and a violation of women’s human rights”, and estimates that one in three women will endure violence from a partner or ex-partner, or non-partner sexual violence in their lifetime. This violence is perpetrated by males. Until this despicable violence ends, women need safe female-only spaces.

As city councillors, we would expect you to have an understanding of the need for safeguarding for women and girls, and to oversee the statutory duties of the Council to provide for the specific needs of this sex class.

Given the recent news story about Merseyside Police being unable to monitor the thousands of sex offenders on Liverpool’s streets, as well as the endemic problem of male violence, we should be prioritising the safety and safeguarding of vulnerable women and children.

Recent statistics show that 90% of all sexual incidents in public changing rooms (voyeurism, harassment, assault and rape) occur in mixed sex facilities (despite the vast majority of facilities remaining single sex). If self-id becomes law, all spaces will become mixed sex by default, and women and children will be put at much greater risk.

“TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN”

We encourage Liverpool City Councillors to refer to the above dictionary definitions of Male and Female.

A recent poll by Pink News/YouGov showed that only 18% of the public is in favour of self-identification. Most of the public are under the impression that transgender is the same as transsexual, completely unaware that the majority of (what is now defined as) transgender women do not undergo any treatment, continue to retain their penises and are heterosexual. Once explained, the overwhelming majority of people can see the dangers and problems with self-id. We have already seen horrendous events come to light; there will be more and the public will be unforgiving to those elected representatives who allowed this to happen.

Liverpool ReSisters fully intend to continue raising awareness about this issue.

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LARLARLAND · 20/09/2018 20:58

NothingOnTellyAgain That’s great. I really hope you enjoy seeing them in real life.

Angryresister · 20/09/2018 21:07

Well done Liverpool resisters and those joining up the dots. Men in power are there for a reason. We must keep resisting this.

blinkowl · 20/09/2018 21:12

Well done Liverpool Resisters!

Shame on Liverpool council.

Mumminmum · 20/09/2018 21:15

I hope the women living in Liverpool remember this when election day comes.

Handsoffmyrights · 20/09/2018 21:26

Hope James Kirkup/Andrew Gilligan are reading this. There's so much to dig.

Thethiniceofanewday · 20/09/2018 21:43

no words for that speech or the smug, complacent ovation he got from all those convinced they're on the right side of history.

Couldn't help imagining him saying exactly the same to suffrage campaigners - if only they had asked nicely intead of blowing things up and carrying out acts of civil disobeience. If they had, they wouldn't have won the vote.

Thank you, LiverpoolReSisters

ToeToToe · 20/09/2018 21:56

We will win.

RoxytheRexy · 20/09/2018 22:04

Fuckimg hell. This is bullshit. Thank you Liverpool Resisters.

I’m so fucked Off at this. Self congratulatory smug twats. I’m so sorry they treated your representative so appallingly. She sounds very brave for going through with it

Lefthanddown · 20/09/2018 22:06

Well done Resisters. It took some guys going into a hostile environment. Thank you Flowers

I've just had a look at Section 47 investigations, a lot of work goes into gathering information about allegations of abuse. Given that Joe Anderson tipped off a suspected abuser allowing him to delete his hard drives I'm surprised he wasn't charged for perverting the course of justice or something similar.

llrscb.proceduresonline.com/chapters/p_comp_abuse.html

Motion against Liverpool ReSisters by Liverpool City Council
Lefthanddown · 20/09/2018 22:09

Guys? Guts

SharkAttack1972 · 20/09/2018 22:12

I live in Wirral area. I can travel to Liverpool or Chester though. Any chance if joining? Also I have heard of Man Friday.Any man Friday events near me? Smile

LadyLauraOver · 20/09/2018 22:15

There is a meeting in Manchester very soon where you will meet some ManFriday people if you came along.

arranfan · 20/09/2018 22:19

Couldn't help imagining him saying exactly the same to suffrage campaigners - if only they had asked nicely intead of blowing things up and carrying out acts of civil disobeience

Or Martin Luther King. Letter from a Birmingham Jail feels especially relevant.

You may well ask: "Why direct action? Why sit ins, marches and so forth? Isn't negotiation a better path?" You are quite right in calling for negotiation. Indeed, this is the very purpose of direct action. Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. It seeks so to dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored. My citing the creation of tension as part of the work of the nonviolent resister may sound rather shocking. But I must confess that I am not afraid of the word "tension." I have earnestly opposed violent tension, but there is a type of constructive, nonviolent tension which is necessary for growth. Just as Socrates felt that it was necessary to create a tension in the mind so that individuals could rise from the bondage of myths and half truths to the unfettered realm of creative analysis and objective appraisal, so must we see the need for nonviolent gadflies to create the kind of tension in society that will help men rise from the dark depths of prejudice and racism to the majestic heights of understanding and brotherhood. The purpose of our direct action program is to create a situation so crisis packed that it will inevitably open the door to negotiation. I therefore concur with you in your call for negotiation. Too long has our beloved Southland been bogged down in a tragic effort to live in monologue rather than dialogue. ...

I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom;...Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html

Charliethefeminist · 20/09/2018 22:41

this ×BBC article needs a fuck ton of complaints

Charliethefeminist · 20/09/2018 22:43

There ilare about three articles on this and they are all unbelievably biased and just appalling. Worse than Pink News. Where's that bbc thread.

FreckledLeopard · 20/09/2018 22:45

What a fucking arsehole. Wonder what he'd think if his mother/sister/daughter had to have intimate care from a bearded, Adams-appled 'woman'? Would he sleep with a woman with a 'female penis' - like fuck he would.

I'm so, so angry with all of this. Please let me help in anyway (I'm a lawyer so could hopefully do something useful!)

stillathing · 20/09/2018 22:47

arran that's brilliant

R0wantrees · 20/09/2018 22:47

January 2018: Liverpool Liberal Democrats article:
'Labour reject motion to tackle sexism in the Council Chamber'

"The Liberal Democrat Lead Member for Mossley Hill, Alisha Lewis, has reacted angrily to the news that more than 30 women Labour Councillors voted against all-party motion on sexist language and behaviour at a meeting of Liverpool City Council on 24th January.

The motion was proposed by Lib Dem Leader Cllr Richard Kemp after Lib Dem Cllr Mirna Juarez was described as a ‘fishwife’ by Mayor Anderson at the November Council Meeting - Language that simply is not acceptable from the Mayor of our city in the 21st century.

Alisha Lewis says, “The motion, whilst drawing attention to the actions of the Mayor, tried to seek a constructive cross party strategy for tackling sexism in Liverpool politics. The plan sought to involve the Women’s Leadership Group and the Women’s Equality Party in producing a short course for all council members focusing on gender and equality issues.

“It is a disgrace that not one woman Labour Councillor was prepared to defy Joe Anderson’s instructions and support this cross party initiative to challenge behaviour that we all know should not be tolerated.”

Our rejected motion:

The use of sexist language - Councillor Richard Kemp, CBE:

Council believes that the way we use language is important and that those of us in public office should set a high example to the rest of the Community. It believes that many women are put off politics because of the use of sexist language and chauvinistic behaviour." (continues)

www.liverlibdems.org.uk/labour_reject_motion_to_tackle_sexism_in_council_chamber

arranfan · 20/09/2018 23:00

stillathing - Martin Luther King's intellectual legacy is astonishing and, politics and society are so much the poorer for not benefiting from it.

Ereshkigal · 20/09/2018 23:05

Really interesting R0.

Carrrotsandcauliflower · 21/09/2018 07:20

Catching up so sorry if this has been posted already here- I have to dash but- I Just saw this on twitter. Somone had posted the link into James Kirkup. The thing about all these men is that you know- you have that instinct about them. I thought he was just a gammony bully.
www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-teacher-acccused-downloading-child-3445705

Carrrotsandcauliflower · 21/09/2018 10:34

Just caught up- sorry about the link repetition.
I’m over giving public figures the benefit of the doubt.
I am literally now applying this formula;

You support this crap publicly, you have power, =you are a nonse.

As Micky Flannigans mum famously said about jimmy Saville..
“What are you watching that fackin nonse for??!”

Had enough.

ToeToToe · 21/09/2018 10:44

I had the same realisation last night, Carrots.

ToeToToe · 21/09/2018 10:45

It's like scales falling from the eyes. Ohhhh! That's why they're supporting this shit.