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The Times - smear campaign by trans lecturer at Goldsmiths

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tiredandweary · 08/09/2018 00:45

The Times reporting on the smear campaign against academics run by 'Natacha Kennedy' of Goldsmiths. Given how movingly women academics have written here about the fear and intimidation they experience working in universities, how good to see the source of the bullying exposed. share token:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-goldsmiths-lecturer-natacha-kennedy-behind-smear-campaign-against-academics-f2zqbl222?shareToken=c2e850050d0c9913ecbcbbb9b0e9ccfb

And a brilliant article by Janice Turner about dangerous trans rapists in women's jails:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-rapists-are-a-danger-in-women-s-jails-5vhgh57pt?shareToken=a5c5b379f8c0f6ccd446176a676344e6

So pleased that I took out a subscription to the Times.

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ErrolTheDragon · 09/09/2018 11:03

Sorry to be flippant but I wonder if he got paid twice as a co-author?

You don't get paid to publish in a peer reviewed journal.

TigerDrankAllTheWaterInTheTap · 09/09/2018 11:07

OK, following that through, here is a list of staff and students at the IOE currently engaged in research. Neither NK nor MH appear on this list. www.ucl.ac.uk/ioe/research/find-a-researcher If this list is up to date, that implies either the Ph.D. is completed (seems unlikely, or MH/NK would be using the title Dr.) or it's been abandoned or suspended.

All very odd, given this is MH's staff page at Goldsmith's: www.gold.ac.uk/educational-studies/staff/hellen/

R0wantrees · 09/09/2018 12:23

Guardian profile of Natacha Kennedy:

"Natacha Kennedy has been transgender since she was very young. A former primary school teacher living in north London she now conducts research into transgender issues and campaigns for transgender human rights. She posts on Cif as Natacha"

(NB embedded link to cif posts is broken)

www.theguardian.com/profile/natacha-kennedy

partystress · 09/09/2018 12:26

Is anyone else unable to access gendertrender? Keep getting a message saying can't establish link to server.

IAmLurkacus · 09/09/2018 12:26

‘A former primary school teacher’ Shock how many red flags does this never ending bunting have?

hackmum · 09/09/2018 12:39

I do remember when Natacha Kennedy used to write regularly for the Guardian and post frequently on CIF, but looking at their profile, they don't seem to have done so for about seven years. (For once, given Kennedy's dual identity, "they" seems the appropriate pronoun.)

R0wantrees · 09/09/2018 12:43

RE Goldsmiths,

June 2018 thread describing treatment of Jenni Harvey at the bookfair:
OP GeordieTerf wrote:
"
medium.com/@GappyTales/radical-feminism-banned-from-radical-bookfair-331f619ae0ce

I hope it's okay to post this here. I'm not sure if Harvey is on here or not?

Basically Harvey was asked to leave the book fair event on Sunday after handing out leaflets on women's rights. They told her she could instead distribute the leaflets outside the hall, which she did for a short while. During that time she was verbally-harassed by a group of people. After which, she was asked to leave!

You could not make this shit up!"

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3269765-Radical-Feminism-Banned-From-Radical-Bookfair

Jenni Harvey describes what happened as part of her WPUK Hastings speech:

R0wantrees · 09/09/2018 12:46

mentioned previously in thread,
this is the statement that The Depford People Project made prior to The House of Commons 'We Need to Talk' meeting:

www.facebook.com/lubelluledotcom/posts/10156110925077980
(extract)
"Statement from Working class community workers from Deptford.
We are attending the women’s meeting at the House of Commons today. We would like to offer an explanation as to why this is necessary.

After many years of working at grass roots within our community we have recently been made aware of an issue that directly effects the working class and women in our area. The changes to the Gender Recognition Act will allow birth certificate changes without transition. We are an LGBTQ supporting group and we have concerns about how these changes will impact women only safe spaces.
We have never and will never support hate...

The majority of our recent projects have been working with rough sleepers, the homeless and those that have been excluded from society. The issues they face include: unsupported/ mental health illness, sexual violence and prostitution, childhood trauma and abuse, domestic violence, poverty, ex care system issues, addiction, prison, rehab, homelessness and austerity.
The people in our community that we represent are the most likely to access/ be placed in sex segregated services. Some have and will access all sex segregated services mentioned.

Our local political and community organisations have been infiltrated by a group of well meaning white middle class Goldsmiths (uni) students. These people although well intentioned have rail roaded many vital projects by introducing identity policies and intersectional thinking without truly understanding or experiencing working class issues.

Meetings we have attended for the purpose of discussing community housing projects and women’s wellness etc have been used as a platform to re educate working class people on the new academic language expected within our organisations.
As anyone from a working class back ground will tell you, these theories and ideologies rarely translate into working class communities.

The extremely small number of transsexual (I use the old term as this has a very different meaning to the university umbrella term currently thrown about) member of the community are and have always been accepted and protected.
However we have now been informed that transgender people are being routinely abused (mis gendered) and should be protected above all other marginalised groups. We can see that all that has actually changed is privileged mainly white students have adopted a set of gender identities that allow them to be considered marginalised. The people we encountered were far from marginalised. In fact they were highly educated, openly classist and aggressive.

This new politics doesn’t equate in our community or for the people we support. We are dealing with working class issues with severely marginalised people and the trans lobby is a gentrification of working class social and political movements. Note the difference between trans lobby and trans people.

No one will discuss our concerns regarding self identification. Our local Labour Party has refused to comment or debate with the working class community. We are attending the meeting this evening as this is only place that is willing to discuss theses issues.
When we are being verbally abused and called fascists and phobic because we are concerned about the effects of policy change on marginalised people it is a direct attack on working class women and grass roots organisations.

So please when you share information about this eventand attempt to shut it down be aware that you are complicit in the silencing of not only women but working class people who have not afforded the privileged of a safe space or university education."

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/09/2018 13:01

Surely Natacha will have to face some sort of disciplinary action over this?

deepwatersolo · 09/09/2018 14:00

The people we encountered were far from marginalised. In fact they were highly educated, openly classist and aggressive.

As I said in another thread (channelling Lisa Muggeridge). This is a class issue. That is why the political elite, far removed from the working class, is so firmly in the corner of Fae, Bergdorf & Co, and ignore women in prison, in shelters... except to call them bigots or liars.
Lisa Muggeridge is right on the money.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 09/09/2018 18:09

Is that screenshot where they talk about taking over the feminism entry on Wikipedia on here? 'Natacha' and 'Heather' Peto and others? Discussing their tactics to delete feminists they disapprove of and replace with tranwomen? Absolutely shocking. Totally blatant erasure of biological women. Fucking hell! I thought I was unshockable now but it turns out I am not.

ChattyLion · 09/09/2018 18:25

R0wan thank you for posting that statement- I am sorry to hear that the group has had its resources diverted in this self centred way by transactivists.
This really resonates:

the trans lobby is a gentrification of working class social and political movements. Note the difference between trans lobby and trans people.

R0wantrees · 09/09/2018 19:03

Is that screenshot where they talk about taking over the feminism entry on Wikipedia on here?

this was posted on Twitter (I don't know the source)

The Times -  smear campaign by trans lecturer at Goldsmiths
theOtherPamAyres · 09/09/2018 19:45

What sort of action will the Green Party take against their former Executive and trans identifying male, Sahrar Taylor? S/He was the Coordinator of Equality and Diversity, and high profile LBGTQWERT. Key part of A Challoner's mob.

In the times piece, Taylor is defiant - the academics were all "douchebags" who would harm students.

Totally. Off. His. Rocker.

Green Party? Your call.

SunsetBeetch · 10/09/2018 06:43

Sigh

"The Goldsmith's Uni LGBT twitter account is posting lists of women they've designated 'terfs' to be blocked & policing other people who follow them. If I hadn't seen this so many times before I'd be shocked. #thoughtpolice #ToxicTransactivism "

twitter.com/FeministRoar/status/1038933968924667905?s=19

The Times -  smear campaign by trans lecturer at Goldsmiths
The Times -  smear campaign by trans lecturer at Goldsmiths
The Times -  smear campaign by trans lecturer at Goldsmiths
IAmLurkacus · 10/09/2018 06:46

Can that go on the AIBU?

SunsetBeetch · 10/09/2018 06:53

"All right, going off Natacha’s brilliant idea, pls see below for a list of TERFs to add to your block chains: "

twitter.com/lgbtqgold/status/1038895259122630657?s=19

SunsetBeetch · 10/09/2018 07:12

Ok done!

See also:

"You know that words mean things? The exclusionary politics against trans women is what’s fascist, lmao, not refusing to entertain bigots."

"“sex based” Go study biology and come back to apologise your bastardisation of science. Sex is, shock horror, as much of a social construct as gender."

The Times -  smear campaign by trans lecturer at Goldsmiths
The Times -  smear campaign by trans lecturer at Goldsmiths
TimeLady · 10/09/2018 07:25

Just showing themselves up as being thick as planks.

IAmLurkacus · 10/09/2018 07:25

Do they actually believe the shite they’re typing or are they posh boys having a laugh?

IAmLurkacus · 10/09/2018 07:28

Just showing themselves up as being thick as planks.

I think you’re probably right. What a truly stunning and brave advert for that university, it needs saving for next years clearing threads.

SophoclesTheFox · 10/09/2018 07:31

There's a tweet on there urging people to "purge their timelines".

Jesus christ on a bendy bus, these people have no idea how authoritarian they are. Purging, FFS! Stalin would be proud.

"apologise your bastardation of science"? Confused Apologise to science? Apologise for understanding it?

ChattyLion · 10/09/2018 07:46

‘Sex is a social construct’? Confused
What, they genuinely think someone just made up the concept of men and women being different? Hmm

Has anyone ever told them how babies are made? Told them how girls experience sexual harassment before they’ve even got through puberty? How women have different and often unmet physical needs around child birth, periods and menopause? How women are killed by their male partners (every week in the UK)?

Those just a few of the sex-based problems which girls and women bear the burden of.

Only a very over-privileged, sheltered, unempathetic and craven man-pleaser would ever try to claim that physical sex is made up.

Look around the world for one second and you can see what deliberate and staggering misogyny is behind anyone making that claim.

deepwatersolo · 10/09/2018 08:28

'Sex is a social construct’

Those people have clearly never brought the material result of said alleged social construct to kindergarten , 7 am in the morning.

Igneococcus · 10/09/2018 08:47

'Sex is a social construct’

How does that work in other species, say cows? It would solve quite a few farming issues if cows or sheep could just be made to identify into the required sex.