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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Munroe Bergdorf 'What Makes a Woman' Channel 4 16/5

415 replies

R0wantrees · 16/05/2018 14:38

Extract from Radio Times:
www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2018-05-16/what-makes-a-woman-review-munroe-bergdorf-transgender-activist-debate/

"There are more moments of vulnerability when Bergdorf attends a discussion by a feminist group called We Need To Talk. There’s a real sense of menace in the air as transgender people gather outside to protest the meeting of so-called TERFS – Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists – who believe trans women are not female but are in fact men threatening to infiltrate women’s space.

Bergdorf is extremely articulate in one to one interviews so it’s a shame she doesn’t feel able to stay and debate them, but it’s also understandable – the atmosphere inside the meeting is toxic and she’s surrounded on all sides.

“When we [see] events like this, which directly are designed to deny [transgender women’s] very identities and the fact that we even exist, it’s extremely hurtful and concerning,” she says as she leaves. But she later sits down with one of the organisers, Venice Allan (aka Dr Radfem, just in case you were in any doubt).

They have an interesting debate about female and transgender rights, but it ends tellingly with the good Dr declaring “feminism is about women!” when surely feminism is about equality....

Concludes:
What Makes a Woman provides a valuable grounding in the ins and outs of the transgender debate for those of us who could use it – but it’s also a profile of a intriguing, sensitive, likeable person who is herself still on a journey of discovery."

What Makes a Woman is on tonight, Wednesday 16th May, at 10pm on Channel 4 and available afterwards on All4

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MrsWooster · 16/05/2018 22:47

Is MBs awful rape relevant to the prog mission statement..?it seems a little as tho MB is claiming that only women are raped..

spontaneousgiventime · 16/05/2018 22:47

ONLY MEN CAN RAPE - keep them out of women's spaces!

JoanSummers · 16/05/2018 22:48

Fucking talking about male violence and stalkers and assaults to validate his beliefs as an argument against feminism.

JUST FUCK OFF.

So angry. So angry. Been assaulted so many times. This bit is so fucking sick.

cistersofterfy · 16/05/2018 22:48

Narrative is very confused.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 22:48

YY. Surely MB would also have issues with males doing eg intimate exams Confused I don't understand why they are so proud IS when it removes a pile of protection for them Hmm

BlytheByName · 16/05/2018 22:49

Venice was good.
Best bit on the programme so far.
Also the TRAs looked both menacing and silly.

cistersofterfy · 16/05/2018 22:49

Um #metoo and all that.

MrsWooster · 16/05/2018 22:49

If this army advert says join the army, be a man...
Even better! It's tagline is find where you belong!

Cooroo · 16/05/2018 22:50

MB passes, is dysphoroc and lives as a woman. They could go through GRC and legally become a woman. Feel safe in women's spaces. So why don't they?

HelenaDove · 16/05/2018 22:50

What did Munroe think Miranda was...............scotch mist?

TerfTerfTerf · 16/05/2018 22:50

Its like C4 realised that the piece with Venice didn't make MB look good so they shoehorned in a bit of sob stuff to make us realise MB can cry so must be a woman 🙄

Patsypedalo · 16/05/2018 22:50

MB just doesnt have the brain power to comprehend the arguments Angry

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 22:50

Proud IS.= Pro.self ID (For some reason only my phone can explain)

JoanSummers · 16/05/2018 22:50

MB deliberately juxtaposed Venice stating basic feminist views that centre women with being sexually violated by a man.

I am really struggling with pronoun rules now. This is not a woman and they do not understand what it is to be a woman.

MrsWooster · 16/05/2018 22:51

Soft hair, soft skin. That's a woman alright.
My hair is RAF and all my fat is on my gut not my hips..

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 22:51

And what are the undesirable side effects?

LikeAZombie · 16/05/2018 22:51

That'll be a no then

HelenaDove · 16/05/2018 22:51

Im so sorry that she was raped. Sad

FuriousFifties · 16/05/2018 22:51

Just a body part? peak peak peaked again

MrsWooster · 16/05/2018 22:52

Penis v vagina definitely does define your womanhood, love.

TwittleBee · 16/05/2018 22:52

Oh here we go... the old feeling BS

Numbkinnuts · 16/05/2018 22:52

So MB still has a dick then 🤔

Lefthanddown · 16/05/2018 22:52

A vagina is just a body part! So is his firehead, but he still had that altered

JoanSummers · 16/05/2018 22:52

A vagina is "just a body part"

Again, fuck off. Not a woman, doesn't understand what it is to be a woman.

"Are there any clues in my brain?"
By the sounds of it so far, No.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 22:52

MB is going to lose the audience there - a vagina doesn't determine womanhood ffs