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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Munroe Bergdorf 'What Makes a Woman' Channel 4 16/5

415 replies

R0wantrees · 16/05/2018 14:38

Extract from Radio Times:
www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2018-05-16/what-makes-a-woman-review-munroe-bergdorf-transgender-activist-debate/

"There are more moments of vulnerability when Bergdorf attends a discussion by a feminist group called We Need To Talk. There’s a real sense of menace in the air as transgender people gather outside to protest the meeting of so-called TERFS – Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists – who believe trans women are not female but are in fact men threatening to infiltrate women’s space.

Bergdorf is extremely articulate in one to one interviews so it’s a shame she doesn’t feel able to stay and debate them, but it’s also understandable – the atmosphere inside the meeting is toxic and she’s surrounded on all sides.

“When we [see] events like this, which directly are designed to deny [transgender women’s] very identities and the fact that we even exist, it’s extremely hurtful and concerning,” she says as she leaves. But she later sits down with one of the organisers, Venice Allan (aka Dr Radfem, just in case you were in any doubt).

They have an interesting debate about female and transgender rights, but it ends tellingly with the good Dr declaring “feminism is about women!” when surely feminism is about equality....

Concludes:
What Makes a Woman provides a valuable grounding in the ins and outs of the transgender debate for those of us who could use it – but it’s also a profile of a intriguing, sensitive, likeable person who is herself still on a journey of discovery."

What Makes a Woman is on tonight, Wednesday 16th May, at 10pm on Channel 4 and available afterwards on All4

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JoanSummers · 16/05/2018 22:41

Lol no fuzzing out of Magdalen Berns! I'm sure I'm not the only woman here at least a little in love with her.

Cooroo · 16/05/2018 22:41

How is it denying the existence of trans people when Miranda is on the platform?

Ereshkigal · 16/05/2018 22:41

And Nicole Jones.

MrsWooster · 16/05/2018 22:41

Meetings Designed to deny we exist" yeah, miranda was a mirage

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 22:41

There was a trans person speaking FFS.

LikeAZombie · 16/05/2018 22:42

Think that was magdelen berns Sitting next to mb in the audience
I really want to go to one of those meetings

CoolCarrie · 16/05/2018 22:42

Thank you Fine.

TwittleBee · 16/05/2018 22:42

Meetings Designed to deny we exist" yeah, miranda was a mirage

Literally my thoughts...!

JoanSummers · 16/05/2018 22:42

Surely this whole programme is a massive own goal?

I think it may be.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 22:43

I wonder if MB actually signed off on this. It's almost coming across as balanced?

MrsWooster · 16/05/2018 22:43

Venice clear on law, good on yer.

JoanSummers · 16/05/2018 22:43

The contrast of Venice and the event speakers clear arguments compared to the mumbling fools outside the venue..

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 22:44

I'm really beginning to think that this is a massive own goal.

JoanSummers · 16/05/2018 22:44

Looool Venice's "jfc you're a total bullshitter" face

spontaneousgiventime · 16/05/2018 22:44

Oh well said Venice, what a star.

MrsWooster · 16/05/2018 22:44

Fuck, MB is turning round onto the faux concern that it's genuine tw we are concerned about. Bollocks. Literally

NotTerfNorCis · 16/05/2018 22:45

Venice doing well there. Bergdorf self-obsessed and untruthful. I sense some editing here - cuts in what Venice says.

MrsWooster · 16/05/2018 22:45

That's your BELIEF. I love you venice

TerfTerfTerf · 16/05/2018 22:45

I don't suppose MB identifies with Miranda because Miranda isn't feminine and pretty. So that meeting must have seemed to her to have been all about the anti-Munroe

JoanSummers · 16/05/2018 22:45

Lolololol now Venice is having to talk to MB like she is a child who doesnt understand why they can't have another lollipop

TwittleBee · 16/05/2018 22:45

Venice 👏👏👏

HelenaDove · 16/05/2018 22:46

Thankyou Fine. I recognised Posie.............i think she was one of the women on the Tonight programme.

CoolCarrie · 16/05/2018 22:46

MB just can’t get it at all, even when it is so clearly pointed out.

JoanSummers · 16/05/2018 22:46

Oh FUCK OFF

TerfTerfTerf · 16/05/2018 22:46

MB doesn't get it despite having been raped by a violent man!