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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Munroe Bergdorf 'What Makes a Woman' Channel 4 16/5

415 replies

R0wantrees · 16/05/2018 14:38

Extract from Radio Times:
www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2018-05-16/what-makes-a-woman-review-munroe-bergdorf-transgender-activist-debate/

"There are more moments of vulnerability when Bergdorf attends a discussion by a feminist group called We Need To Talk. There’s a real sense of menace in the air as transgender people gather outside to protest the meeting of so-called TERFS – Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists – who believe trans women are not female but are in fact men threatening to infiltrate women’s space.

Bergdorf is extremely articulate in one to one interviews so it’s a shame she doesn’t feel able to stay and debate them, but it’s also understandable – the atmosphere inside the meeting is toxic and she’s surrounded on all sides.

“When we [see] events like this, which directly are designed to deny [transgender women’s] very identities and the fact that we even exist, it’s extremely hurtful and concerning,” she says as she leaves. But she later sits down with one of the organisers, Venice Allan (aka Dr Radfem, just in case you were in any doubt).

They have an interesting debate about female and transgender rights, but it ends tellingly with the good Dr declaring “feminism is about women!” when surely feminism is about equality....

Concludes:
What Makes a Woman provides a valuable grounding in the ins and outs of the transgender debate for those of us who could use it – but it’s also a profile of a intriguing, sensitive, likeable person who is herself still on a journey of discovery."

What Makes a Woman is on tonight, Wednesday 16th May, at 10pm on Channel 4 and available afterwards on All4

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2rebecca · 16/05/2018 22:33

Don't think those clothes are aimed at me

MrsWooster · 16/05/2018 22:33

Yes,Joan!!

CoolCarrie · 16/05/2018 22:33

Sunday at 9.00 yesssss!

GozerTheGozerian · 16/05/2018 22:34

Did MB just say they couldn’t believe people could be so mean in tweets ... in a section where they’d just acknowledged writing offensive tweets themselves????

How is the irony not smacking them in the face??

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 22:34

I notice that MB didn't compare and contrast with the shit women have to deal with on Twitter...

thebewilderness · 16/05/2018 22:34

Redefining gender as though it were a fashion statement. Which it is.

JoanSummers · 16/05/2018 22:34

And now race for life, women-only events raising money for cancer research.. srsly C4 are you playing with us?

MrsWooster · 16/05/2018 22:35

Mb could get WPUk name right at least...

CoolCarrie · 16/05/2018 22:35

I notice no apology for the Twitter stuff.

Picassospaintbrush · 16/05/2018 22:35

How is the irony not smacking them in the face??

I would imagine its permanently numb after all that sanding down.

LikeAZombie · 16/05/2018 22:36

I actually think she passes pretty well and is quite attractive. Until she opens her mouth and the utter bollocks fall out. Alignment? Saying she didn't change but then she's a different person now. None of it makes any sense. What have twitter spats got to do with being a woman anyway.
I get gender, be what ever the fuck gender you want. We don't segregate spaces by gender we segregate by sex it's really simple

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 22:36

Controversial my arse. I think MB means true...

JoanSummers · 16/05/2018 22:36

Oh I hope some people are looking at these dudes in masks blocking the event, and listening to how clueless they sound. Peak Peak Peak!

cistersofterfy · 16/05/2018 22:37

Surely this whole programme is a massive own goal?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 22:37

I think it could be.

HelenaDove · 16/05/2018 22:38

Was anyone here at the meeting featured in the programme?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 22:38

Ooh, this could be a real own goal...

Terfing · 16/05/2018 22:38

To be fair, Munroe is/was a naturally good-looking person. I think that is what makes this even sadder, really.

Ereshkigal · 16/05/2018 22:39

I do hope so. Narcissists don't tend to know what "reasonable" looks like. So they don't know when they've gone too far. And MB had a lot of control over this programme.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 22:39

Yay Miranda! I'm glad they are showing MB doesn't speak for all trans people.

CoolCarrie · 16/05/2018 22:39

Who are the speakers?

TwittleBee · 16/05/2018 22:40

These men in masks probably are the men who want to be able to self-ID to get into women only places for their own sick reasons!

Are they flashing between inside and outside and MB to make it feel like it's more toxic and dramatic towards MB than what it actually was?

spontaneousgiventime · 16/05/2018 22:40

Fuck that shit Agree!

MrsWooster · 16/05/2018 22:40

Get in, posie!

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/05/2018 22:41

Miranda Yardley. Heather Brunskell-Evans Evans. Posie Parker.

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