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Spartacus believes in biology.

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HairyBallTheorem · 16/04/2018 21:03

Transwomen are biologically male. They are born biologically male and they remain biologically male.

I accept that it must be very hard to suffer from gender dysphoria. I wish transwomen well. I support their right not to be discriminated against in housing, employment and in life in general.

But biology matters. It is biology which means that women in Ireland and across South America and in many other parts of the world are the ones who get pregnant and are then forced to give birth against their will by political systems that deny them the right to abortion. It is biology which enables people in cultures which practice FGM to recognise which babies are female and thus decide which ones' genitals need slicing off with rusty razor blades. It is biology which dictates which foetuses are aborted simply for being female, which infants are allowed to die simply for being female. It is biology which means we are, on average, smaller and less physically strong than men and thus at higher risk of domestic violence up to and including murder (2 a week in this country, into the hundreds in Russia which has recently legalised domestic violence).

I am not prepared to lie about biology. Facts matter. The intersection of facts and political beliefs matters.

This is a hill on which I'm prepared to be banned from Mumsnet.

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Writersblock2 · 03/05/2018 08:02

Spartacus, Spartacus, Spartacus!
Ban us all if you like - doesn’t change anything. Still biology!

Flomper · 03/05/2018 08:05

stil spartacus here.

ScarletBegonias · 03/05/2018 08:12

Still here, still Spartacus.

MediocreOne · 03/05/2018 08:22

I am spartacus.

I will never lie.

Biology matters.

LangCleg · 03/05/2018 08:25

Still Spartacus.

You cannot legislate for perception. I see what I see and I see biology.

OrchidInTheSun · 03/05/2018 08:25

I am still Spartacus. You can tweet my posts as much as you like but you will not shut me up.

Sex matters.

MumOfThrMoos · 03/05/2018 08:39

I am Spartacus

Transwomen are men.
Transmen are women.
Children are just children.

Biology matters as does freedom of speech.

genehuntswife · 03/05/2018 08:45

I am Spartacus. The emperor is stark bollock naked

RoderickRules · 03/05/2018 08:50

I am Spartacus.

Biology is fact.

averylongtimeasSpartacus · 03/05/2018 08:51

Still Spartacus.
You can live how you want, dress how you choose, call yourself whatever, wear make up, or not, long hair, short hair, heels, flats, who cares?
But nothing you do can change your biological reality: xy cannot become xx.

BabyItsAWildWorld · 03/05/2018 08:51

I am Spartacus.

Men cannot become women.

LifelongVaginaOwner · 03/05/2018 08:53

Still Spartacus

Transwomen are biologically male.
If they don't have a GRC they are also legally male.
You cannot change biology.

Tweet all you like TRAs. Then step outside your echo chamber. You may be in for a surprise.

Pratchet · 03/05/2018 09:01

Spartacus. Transmen are women. Trans'women are men. Transing kids is child abuse.

The MN mods are so lovely and have been so kind when I've made mistakes so I'm sorry in advance for the trouble, MN wims. But facts is facts.

ThisisSparta · 03/05/2018 09:09

I am Spartacus, still.

MEN CANNOT BE WOMEN.

(was this thread which inspired my name change!)

moveincircles · 03/05/2018 13:14

Spartacus here. Not been on MN for years but checking back in to say TRANS WOMEN ARE MEN AND A PENIS IS A MALE ORGAN Smile

EmpressOfJurisfiction · 03/05/2018 13:25

The legal differences between women, transwomen with a GRC & self-identifying transwomen without a GRC. Clearly explained.

fairplayforwomen.com/legal-basics/

ToeToToe · 03/05/2018 13:28

I'm still Spartacus.

Human beings cannot change their sex.

scalliondays · 03/05/2018 14:32

Biology definitely matters.

Emerencealwayshopeful · 03/05/2018 15:00

Late to the party (story of my life)

Biology is the source of female oppression. Spend ten minutes reading the stories on the ‘in her shoes - women of the 8th’ Facebook page and then tell me with a straight face that being misgendered is literal violence.

Enough with the magical thinking. It is not offensive to correctly identify someone as biologically male.

Amalfimamma · 03/05/2018 15:11

I am Spartacus. I believe in biology, science and fact. I don't believe in unicorns living on rainbows.

bakingdemon · 03/05/2018 15:17

Another Spartacus here.

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 03/05/2018 15:22

I am Spartacus.
Men are not women.
No lesbian should ever be bullied for refusing to have sex with a man, not even when that man identifies as a translesbian and insists her distaste for girl-dick makes her a pervert with a genital fixation.
Saying that biology is real is not a hate crime.
Silencing women, and rejoicing in their erasure is evil.

SweetGrapes · 03/05/2018 15:26

Still Spartacus. Biology matters, sex matters.

200 million women and girls are “demographically missing” worldwide because biology not genderfeelz.

NKFell · 03/05/2018 15:31

I think it must be awful for people with gender dysphoria and I can't imagine how unhappy it must make people so I genuinely wish them well and some peace. This is not the same as a little boy liking dresses, makeup and shopping, he is a still a little boy just who likes dresses and makeup and shopping.

I am Spartacus and I won't accept biology being mixed up with gender stereotypes. Lesbians have every right to choose on a basis of biology not gender and there is no such thing as a female penis.

Baubletrouble43 · 03/05/2018 16:09

I am spartacus
Biology is real
I stand on the hill for my 3 daughters

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