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Spartacus believes in biology.

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HairyBallTheorem · 16/04/2018 21:03

Transwomen are biologically male. They are born biologically male and they remain biologically male.

I accept that it must be very hard to suffer from gender dysphoria. I wish transwomen well. I support their right not to be discriminated against in housing, employment and in life in general.

But biology matters. It is biology which means that women in Ireland and across South America and in many other parts of the world are the ones who get pregnant and are then forced to give birth against their will by political systems that deny them the right to abortion. It is biology which enables people in cultures which practice FGM to recognise which babies are female and thus decide which ones' genitals need slicing off with rusty razor blades. It is biology which dictates which foetuses are aborted simply for being female, which infants are allowed to die simply for being female. It is biology which means we are, on average, smaller and less physically strong than men and thus at higher risk of domestic violence up to and including murder (2 a week in this country, into the hundreds in Russia which has recently legalised domestic violence).

I am not prepared to lie about biology. Facts matter. The intersection of facts and political beliefs matters.

This is a hill on which I'm prepared to be banned from Mumsnet.

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FredNerk · 20/04/2018 07:20

I am Spartacus. Human beings are male or female. There is no “brain sex”. There is no being born in the wrong body. There is no changing sex. Delusions, paraphilias, internalised homophobia or misogyny or both - none of this makes changing sex a possibility, much less a reality.

AnotherQuoll · 20/04/2018 10:58

Why should i, Or anyone else be made to lie that male is female or be silenced? Yes, I'm Spartacus. For all the reasons already given by many other women before me. No one transitions from one sex to the other, it's biological, objective fact and I can't even believe we women have to justify not be penalised for speaking plain English and not bullshitting, just for some male's vanity and satisfaction in controlling other people. Esp.women.

Merchfach · 20/04/2018 11:25

I am Spartacus.

Biology matters.

Daffodil397 · 20/04/2018 19:53

I am Spartacus

TerfsUp · 20/04/2018 22:20

Thank you, Justine. I know that you are walking a delicate line so I appreciate your thoughts. Flowers Gin

Babieseverywhere · 22/04/2018 11:12

I am Spartacus (again)

Biology is reality.
Gender is a feeling.
Reality trumps feeling every time.

Thank you to Mumsnet for standing up with woman and allowing a space to debate woman's rights.

sabbath84 · 22/04/2018 12:35

Steps tentatively forward

I'm spartacus

Scientific fact can not be changed
Everything should be debated

HouseMouseQueen · 22/04/2018 15:14

I am Spartacus.

I'm a woman: an adult human female.

I was BORN female. I was socialized into the social construct of femininity.

I am not CIS. I hate femininity.

jammydodgerer · 22/04/2018 15:18

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Branleuse · 22/04/2018 16:06

I am spartacus. I wish transwomen no harm. I would even treat most of them like honorary women and respect howver they wanted to present or be treated as - up to a point, because they are not actually biological women, and im not centring my feminism on the rights of men to dress how they want.

spontaneousgiventime · 22/04/2018 16:13

My name is Spontaneousgiventime.

I support the rights of women and girls.

Men do not belong in female spaces.

A woman cannot have a penis, ever.

I am not afraid to speak the truth.

#sexmatters #sexnotgender #biologynotbigotry

Spinsterf · 23/04/2018 00:30

I am Spartacus.
There is no medical condition involving "being born in the wrong sex body".
"Gender identity" is a non-scientific belief system.
Some males may very much want to be female, may even believe they ARE female; that does not make them female, and they can never become female. Humans cannot change sex.

FermatsTheorem · 02/05/2018 23:47

Bumping this! I'm still Spartacus, and I still believe in biology.

ErrolTheDragon · 02/05/2018 23:49

Still spartacus ... I don't believe in biology, it's observable scientific truth not religion.

FermatsTheorem · 02/05/2018 23:51

Yes, Errol, that's a better way of putting it! Whether I believe in it or not doesn't alter the way the world is. (Nails unrepentant philosophical realist colours firmly to the mast!)

Trousersdontmakemeaman · 02/05/2018 23:54

Here is why we are saying what we are saying. The intention is to demobilise women and girls. Are they surprised this is getting a pushback?

This is hate speech masquerading as public policy.

www.socresonline.org.uk/12/1/whittle.html

the implications of the Gender Recognition Act for our contemporary legal understanding of sex. We ask, and attempt to answer, has �sex� changed?

Gender Identity; Legal identities

Sex cannot be changed. It is no good the Minister shaking his head. Sex is decided by the chromosomes of a human being. If we have XX chromosomes, we are women; if we have XY chromosomes, we are men. I might perhaps accept the Bill if an additional requirement for registering changes of gender were that it had been discovered that those concerned had inappropriate chromosomes for the sex in which they had been registered. That is the only way in which the Bill could avoid telling a lie. So far as I know, there is no law nor any known medical procedure that can change the sex of a human being. The Bill purports to do so. It is therefore an objectionable farce. (Lord Tebbit, Gender Recognition Bill, House of Lords Second Reading, 18/12/03, Hansard: Column 1304)

It is an objectionable farce.

BeUpStanding · 03/05/2018 00:09

I think I've already Spartacused but just in case not...

A man cannot become a woman.
Trans women are not women.
If you were born with a penis you're a man.

I am Spartacus. Ban me too if we can no longer name biological reality.

leyat · 03/05/2018 00:11

Biology is real, it matters, and no magical thinking changes this.

Mner · 03/05/2018 00:12

I am Spartacus. We can't escape our DNA.

leyat · 03/05/2018 00:14

...so men cannot be women, and no woman should be forced to be complicit in her own oppression by being made to pretend she is just a bunch of gender stereotypes; dehumanising women has to end, and that starts with refusing to say our biology doesn't matter...

Terfulike · 03/05/2018 00:25

I am Spartacus and I love biology.
Transwomen are men.
Transmen are women.
Children are being damaged by anti-puberty drugs.

MogPlus · 03/05/2018 00:26

I am Spartacus

Mossandclover · 03/05/2018 00:35

Transwomen are men, they are male. Transmen are women, they are female. Children are just children. Gender is nonsense. Science matters. Sex matters. My privacy and safety matters. My daughters’ privacy and safety matters. My daughters’ incentives to go into sport and compete on a fair playing field against other females matters. My daughters’ ability to protect themselves from predatory men matters. My ability to go to the toilet at an nus conference (should I ever attend) matters. Medical research matters. Crime statistics matter. Women in prison forced to share with predatory men matter. Proportion of women in parliament matters. Girls being subject to sexual harassment and assault in school matter. Maternity care matters. Periods matter. Breasts matter. Women and girls subject to strict religious codes matter. Rape victims matter.....

insufficientlyfeminine · 03/05/2018 00:56

My religion is not gender! We still have the right to choose our beliefs, and the right to be free form the beliefs of others being imposed upon us. No one can mandate belief. I know biology exists because I am shedding my uterine lining due to not being pregnant. And I know sexism is alive and well because only on behalf of men would anonymous randoms attack and hound. If this was a men's forum for legitimate feminist discussion no one would try to destroy it. Silly mumsnet you'll never contort yourself enough to acquiesce to all their demands. I too am --Kurt Douglas Spartacus!

Newsofas · 03/05/2018 07:49

You cannot change biology.