Shon Fay smearing mumsnet on twitter.

[SunsetBeetch]

I'm blocked by Shon so can't read her tweets, but someone posted this screenshot

I'm so with the rest of you on missing the 80s and 90s, when it was OK for men not to look like angry lumberjacks and women weren't expected to walk around in full on drag makeup at all times (14 year olds contouring, wtf?). There are still pockets of it being OK in a few places, but now you have to actively look for it, whereas back then it was everywhere.

Part of it is definitely the "gender" kids not having the backbone to shrug in the face of ridicule (which was part of what I always liked about the men who tend to adopt the glam or more feminine goth or emo looks), but there's a lot of authoritarianism going on too. These are not people who cope well with the idea that they can make a demand and other people can say "no". The rise of gender ID provides them with an excellent way to be as bossy and controlling as they like under the guise of social justice.

Keeping with the video theme of brilliant heterosexual men not giving a fuck about society's narrow definition of things Things That Are Manly, how about ballet?

Kurt Cobain in eyeliner.....

Ballet is very manly [nods wisely] You just need to be in a room with a man that is jumping [blown away] It is powerful.

(Ballerinas bloody brilliant too)

I hope SF comes back to read this and realises everyone got bored of talking about SF and moved onto much more interesting people, e.g. Adam Ant. I think that will enrage SF.

Well done Mumsnet!

I still do lost he’s still fucking amazing.

The NZ rugby team do ballet it's so tough. (To support core. Prob a lot of Pilates)

Pretty sure that Adam Ant caused the first stirrings of heterosexuality in my 8 or 9 year old self.

For me, it was Boy George. Make of that what you will

Whilst we're on the topic of Vince, let's not forget the first band he formed was Depeche Mode.

Goodness me, I'm starting to feel nostalgia for leg warmers and ra ra skirts ;-)

I lurved Robert Smith from The Cure

I liked Adam Ant except for the lip gloss. Hate it on anyone.
Eew.

Ooh yes :-)

I'm a new member, hotfoot over here from Twitter, where I was alerted to the fact that MN is the only place where women can safely discuss these issues without suffering abuse, blocking, suspension, etc. These are frightening times for women, to be honest. I have no kids but am a former high school head who would be enraged if I were expected to disseminate some of the nonsense schools are receiving these days.

On the Adam Ant theme, here's Matthew Baynton looking pretty in a ponytail, frilly shirt and eyeliner!

Hi Caribou... You've arrived just in time, we're having a party in here!

Adam Ant = gorgeous.

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Brian Molko

That is all.

Welcome Caribou

Love the way we've gone from - who was it again? - to horrible histories and Depeche Mode!

Sunset

Robert Smith is mine.

Sorry

Welcome caribou!

OMG, I actually fancied Matthew Baynton for a while after seeing that Horrible Histories video.

Obviously memories of my first crush - Adam Ant, I was about 10, I think. First poster on my wall. And he had significant mental health issues - I wonder what would have happened to him in these "woke" times. Probably nothing good.

Another - In homage:

Michael Praed was a gorgeous man with long hair...Also love a man with eyeliner.

Loved all the different 80s tribes - things seem much more uniform in fashion now.

I was only 4 when stand and deliver was out but I remember a bit of a crush on him in that video.

And yes to Brian. Interesting that he was at goldsmiths and is an honorary member or something.

Btw - apropos to nothing, but I just want to tell you all -

Someone tweeted to Lily Madigan "I loved you in Hanson" and Madigan replied "I wasn't in Hanson". Which I just thought was too funny.