I am about to ID as a man

[YesItsADebate]

In 1.5 hours, I will be identifying as a gay man who does not conform with male gender stereotypes. I expect my local leisure facility to comply with the Swim England guidelines and agree that I am entitled to access the men-only swimming sessions, the male showers and toilets and to wear swimming trunks. I also expect them to re-educate any other man who objects to any of the above.

In other words, I have a meeting with the local swimming pool at 10 to see whether or not I’ll be resorting to topless swimming and public nudity tonight in an effort to prove my point that the Swim England guidelines are ridiculous

Wish me luck!

Positively - so if said police officer got a swift knee to the nuts you could innocently say that you couldn’t possibly have hurt them because they don’t exist?

This whole denial thing could prove ether useful.

Female nuts though... innit.

Noisette?

Noisette . I've been wondering, idly, how TRAs in France cope with le and la. The French language is a terf.

Or in Farsi - no ‘he’ or ‘she’ you see. Nothing to get your knickers in a twist about - oh the horror!

couldn’t possibly have hurt them because they don’t exist 🤣 Good point.

I know a lot of people say stuff behind a screen, but I will genuinely tell the police they will have to arrest me, before I will be searched by a TIM. It’s one thing being put in a position, such as changing rooms, toilets, etc, where I could be accused of starting an argument. If a TIM tried to put their hands on me, there would be a shit storm.

I think realistically I'd do what they told me, and only have the nerve to complain afterwards. Most people wouldn't dare object.

Mogleflop, think of it this way. What would be more difficult to deal with? Standing in court, with a chance of being able to defend your rights under permitted sex discrimination laws, or dealing with the emotional fall out, from knowing a possible AGP used you for his sexual kink? As a childhood victim of abuse, I know which I would prefer.

Oh, I'm not saying I'd feel good about it. I'm just thinking realistically of how I'd react to some police officer shouting and telling me what to do. I feel guilty enough when there's a police car driving near me and I've done nothing wrong.

I’ve been in a situation previously where a policeman wanted to do a body-search and I refused to consent unless a female police officer did it. There was a bit of umm-ing and ahh-ing but after a few minutes they waved me on my way.

I don’t routinely go around getting into trouble with the police BTW This was on a bus on the way to a protest march 10+ years ago.

I can see you having a repeat of that YesItsADebate, you naughty woman. 😁

@YesItsADebate You deserve Mumsnetter of the Year. You're our hero. @MNHQ A trophy is needed! 🏆🎖🏆🎖

Can anyone summarise what swim England said at the meeting, I can't find the update!

Empty your mooncup into a urinal

heard anything OP? I cannot wait for their response

OP you are truly amazing, inspiring & heroic!!! thank you

No I haven’t YourVagesty (:o) but I’m not expecting to see anything until the 2 weeks are up.

thanks Draylon - stolen from the fantastic Mash Report

FABULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Congrats OP - and love the I AM A MAN T-shirt - I think this could really take off! Let's do it.....

Count me in OP

Re. the Danish clip, it’s clear he is doing it to highlight the absurdity by the way he speaks etc. He manages to make that clear without allowing anyone to pinpoint anything that would prove he’s not sincere. Hadn’t heard of the guy until now!

Re. the Danish clip, it’s clear he is doing it to highlight the absurdity by the way he speaks etc. He manages to make that clear without allowing anyone to pinpoint anything that would prove he’s not sincere. Hadn’t heard of the guy until now!

You say that, but I'd say Alex Drummond speaks exactly the same way and far as I can tell he is highlighting nothing but how completely self absorbed he is. I thought the danish guy was attempting to prove a point but then wasn't so sure by the end of the clip as he talks about how happy he was to finally be seen as a woman.

That's how I felt too Valentine - first of all I thought he couldn't be serious, but by the end I was thinking that he was.

The officer's gender-fluid status was announced in an internal message to the Met’s 43,607 police and civilian staff last week, titled “Bring Your Whole Self to Work”.

Bring your sex fetish to work more like.