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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why do men hate women?

105 replies

TiggerWarning · 28/09/2017 17:58

A small question for a Thursday afternoon...

Where does it stem from? If we lived in a more equal society would fewer men hate women? Is it seeing women being treated as lesser that gives other men the signal that it's okay to do the same or is it always there? Is it just inevitable as we are weaker and give birth etc?

I haven't read much about this - I know the Greer quote about women not knowing how much men hate us and I see it being mentioned but that's it.

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OlennasWimple · 29/09/2017 02:53

Yy, IfNot - I completely agree

outabout · 29/09/2017 08:42

Size 10 is NOT universally attractive.
Since when have women not had 'warm thoughts' about particularly 'fit' young men?

QuentinSummers · 29/09/2017 09:05

Women might find a young man attractive but that is not likely to translate into treating him differently/being extra nice/funny in the hope we might get sex like it does for men.
There is a difference between noticing someone us attractive and objectification. Men seem to think they are the same thing. I find that interesting. They just can't conceive what women are complaining about (the regular groping/cat calls/anger at rejection etc that woman are subjected to)

Ohyesiam · 29/09/2017 10:31

Most men don't.
In my experience, The thing that usually underlies hate is fear(think of the hate crimes that can arise from homophobia for eg).

soccermum43 · 29/09/2017 10:48

men are amazing don't be rude about men get a life

AssassinatedBeauty · 29/09/2017 10:50

Ah, finally, an intellectual and detailed post from @soccermum43, thank goodness!

DJBaggySmalls · 29/09/2017 11:10

I think you guys would love this. The difference between feminists and men is that feminists don't routinely describe all men as sub human scum.

www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/735n1d/i_think_you_guys_would_love_this/

mgtow.wikia.com/wiki/Alpha_Fux_Beta_Bux

Most men are clued up enough to be polite to your face, look at how they talk when there are no women in the room.

NoLoveofMine · 29/09/2017 11:30

Indeed DJ or the comments made by so many men and boys online about women and girls, the forums devoted to men anonymously uploading photographs of women and girls they know posting sexually violent abuse about them and encouraging others to - this is so commonplace. Not even "revenge porn", just photographs of women and girls they know uploaded anonymously purely to encourage misogynist abuse as well as whole sections of well known sites/forums and social media accounts being dedicated to doing this. katieglass.net/2017/08/15/the-sunday-times-baiting-the-sexual-cyber-bullying-that-targets-teenage-girls/

IfNot · 29/09/2017 12:31

Did anyone see the Aziz Ansari comedy bit about "what If women did the stuff men do"? It was quite good-basically him talking about posting about a gig on Twitter, and women replying "yeah I'll come to your gig AND MAKE YOU LICK MY PUSSY you know you want it" etc.
It's funny because it doesn't happen. Anyone questioning just how much men hate women has never seen the kinds of comments men post on women's social media.

MillicentFawcett · 29/09/2017 13:10

This just came up on my twitter feed which I thought was rather pertinent to this thread: www.indy100.com/article/what-men-think-women-smart-intelligence-sexy-psychology-study-iq-science-maths-love-relationships-7954646

Christmastree43 · 29/09/2017 15:21

That MGTOW site is hilarious!! They are so so jealous of good looking men ('Chads') and so obsessed wth sex I have never read anything like it!

Guiltybystander · 29/09/2017 16:31

Women are a strange bunch in many ways, I have to say.

BertrandRussell · 29/09/2017 16:37

Individual men obviously don't. Men-as-class hate women-as-class because if they didn't they wouldn't be able to treat them the way they do.

Datun · 29/09/2017 17:53

... and feminism wouldn't exist.

SpongeBobJudgeyPants · 29/09/2017 18:23

Fairly random Guilty and not remotely relevant, and no, I don't think you actually have to say it, but maybe you are a little hard of thinking?

Datun · 29/09/2017 18:39

I'll say one thing for the women on here, hard of thought can never be applied to them.

Datun · 29/09/2017 18:43

I'll say one thing for the women on here, hard of thought can never be applied to them.

SpongeBobJudgeyPants · 29/09/2017 18:55

So good you said it twice. I was assuming that Guilty is not a woman.

Datun · 29/09/2017 19:07

Me too. I can see him raising a quizzical eyebrow and wondering what we're all banging on about.

What patriarchy?

Sigh.

BertrandRussell · 29/09/2017 19:23

Now, now. Why are you assuming guilty is a man just because they have different opinions to you? It's feminists like you that put people off feminism............

Datun · 29/09/2017 19:26

Just a hunch. Happy to be corrected.

QuentinSummers · 29/09/2017 19:31

bert I know right? If only we were a bit nicer! Grin

BertrandRussell · 29/09/2017 19:48

Well, if we want men on side....

You catch more flies with honey than vinegar you know....

ErrolTheDragon · 29/09/2017 20:01

And millicents link clearly shows we should dumb down (though could be challenging if they've all got to be able to think they're smarter)

GuardianLions · 29/09/2017 20:04

outandabout
What is relevant is it is unlikely any man would 'HATE' you for your appearance.

I didn't say they hate me/women for my/our appearance - but they can have cold contempt for the insubordination it betrays in us. And the shit I have heard men say about women (well lads when I was a teen/twentysomething) - urgh, disgusting, ugly, fat Slag, - in fact a huge number of cruel comments were entirely appearance-based - particularly if a woman had a public role or showed competence.