So this is how normal people feel about food?!

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Two days into my second week on Mounjaro 2.5.
Not once, since the day after my first jab have I actively thought about food. Mealtimes can come and go without it even triggering a thought in my head. I’ve already lost 5kg which is 15% of my target loss.
DH makes dinners so it miraculously appears. I enjoy it but after about a third of what I’d normally eat I’ve had enough. I then don’t think about snacks for the rest of the night.
Compared to before when food consumed my thoughts all day this is an absolute revelation.
I used to wonder how people could pace themselves at a buffet, not eat their entire plate in one go or sit with an open packet of biscuits on their desk. This must be how they feel. It’s amazing.

With any other addiction, a key part of recovery is admitting the problem and neing held accountable...except for food addiction.

So you're not actually interested in the science behind some people's obesity then? If you fancy opening your mind a little do give the Yeo programme a listen. He's a very respected scientist and has spent years studying the science of obesity. He knows it's often not just a case of applying a bit of willpower. Go on, have a listen!

It’s normal to lose 3-4kg of muscle glycogen and water. I agree 5kg in 9 days would be alarming for weeks 3-4 but it’s fine in week 1.

Exactly. It’s hard not to keep on eating when I could, but I choose not to. Posters are desperate to pretend otherwise. I have to exercise a lot of willpower, thanks very much.

I wouldn’t say this is ‘normal’ - the entire thing and the context is riddled with food issues tbh . The state of our ‘eating’ is disastrous, I don’t know how we will end up frankly

There is no way that these people will acknowledge anything other than the fact that they are special, and slim people don’t have to try, at all. Ever. And are never hungry. Or thinking about food. Unlike them.

I've had both, naturally very thin (underweight) as a teen and in early 20s. I didn't like many foods and never thought about food. Always had a sweet tooth though.

Now I'm older I've struggled with my weight more (upper end of normal BMI) - I'd been steadily gaining wait over 15+ years and think about food a lot. I have a sugar and carb addiction. I also like takeaways and alcohol. I could eat cake and pizza all day. I need to try hard not to.

Elimination of all UPF, alcohol and sweets is the only thing that has helped reduce the food noise. But as a "thin" person, food noise is loud and real for me - and gets worse the more junk I eat. I've never had food noise for vegetables or plain grilled chicken breasts, for example.

I'm back in the middle of the normal range and not gaining weight anymore, but it's a battle and I still think about food multiple times a day, especially when bored, stressed after a long day or wanting a pick me up.

Lol at the idea that all fatties eat only biscuits and McDonalds and don't exercise restraint!

The sneering on here is as delightful as ever!

OP I suspect there is a mix. Some people are thin because they are able to overcome the desire to overeat, so they will say that they are able to quiet the food noise. What they don't realise is that it is not moral superiority that enables to do that. There are a whole bunch of reasons why some people can't overcome this, some physical and some emotional. The fact that there is a drug that can help people with that and improve the health of people is a miracle.

I do know some thin people who do not think about food other than as a fuel as well my MIL is one of them, my daughter is another.

You are so strange. I’m a WLI user and of course I know slim people are having to control themselves every day. I just needed some help to do that as my willpower just isn’t there. It is very very rare for someone to not have to try. Look at all the celebs and supermodels etc.. they’ve always been starving and denying themselves before wli came in.

Nope. I am a healthy weight and think about food a lot. If I have snacks in the house I will eat the whole lot in one sitting until they are gone, so it definitely isn't how all 'normal' people think about food. I have to exercise a huge amount of self control to stay at a healthy weight. I think this narrative is actually quite damaging as it makes people think that they have zero responsibility to control their intake on their own as they aren't 'normal'. Of course it is normal to want to eat lots of food that tastes good!

Every single person on WLIs has been trying to control their weight by all possible means usually throughout their life, often people have also been successful for longer or shortper periods. It really isn't the case that the lazy stupid fatty scoffing bisquits wakes up one fine morning, grabs the jabs and expects those to sort it.

Exactly this.

There are those who 'enjoy' and get excited about food and there are those who see it as fuel only. Both are normal.

But people still need to get to the point of obesity in the first place, fat gene or no fat gene! That doesn't happen from undereating dies it? It happens when people eat too much for them.

I also remember a programme years ago when the fat gene theory was first touted, where a load of overweight people were convinced they had it and tested...only for a very small percentage of them to be found to have it.

Yes, genetic make-up does play a part, but 'normal people' notice their trousers are a bit tight and do do something about it. They don't let it escalate to a stage where it's extrenely difficult to lose or where they're completely sugar addicted. Yes, some people do find it more difficult to lose weight, and yes, some people unfortunately need fewer calories.

Like I said, the recovery for other addictions imclude accountability, this is not the case for food addiction. Understanding and excuses are two different things.

Lots of recovering alcoholics put on weight, obviously because they have higher self control as alcoholics.

Obviously this is a ridiculous, extreme argument, but it is just to illustrate the absurdity of simplistic “slimmer = more self control = better”

No, they put on weight because alcoholism causes mal-nutrition.

Nope it’s not normal! Some very few people feel like that and they will be the ‘eat to live’ folks. There is a reason obesity is so common - human physiology includes a strong drive for obesogenic foods due to common feast/famine periods. We just live in a food environment that is unnatural so our natural food behaviour becomes unhealthy.

It is normal to crave high fat, high sugar foods. The brain runs on glucose. It is normal to seek food often, a foraging instinct. It is normal to try to gain and keep fat on the body. Sadly it no longer works because humans have access to too much food and UPF food that has concentrated ingredients in unnatural ways.

You were never abnormal. Your environment was.

Thats over simplistic. It’s also because their brain is seeking the sugar they used to get from alcohol. They’re replacing the sugar and calories and dopamine seeking.

This shows a deep misunderstanding of the variations in the endocrine system that contribute to obesity.

Yes this is me too - I only did MJ for 5 weeks as I didn’t like feeling like I had morning sickness 4 days a week plus bad indegestion . However I did stick to the habits, more water, more herbal tea, smaller portions and a lot more protein , I keep Fage in business! - I’ve lost weight over 16 months and toned up, still a couple of stone overweight but look pretty decent I think and great skin!! I’m not losing much now no matter how hard I try ( and not prepared to give my weekend only wine up) but I am now maintaining easily and not gaining, but it’s made me realise how easy it is to creep up as am eating probably half to 2/3 what I used to eat and with no biscuits, cakes , very few snacks at all . I’m 64 and honestly if i eat 1300 to 1500 cals a day I simply maintain and as I walk a lot ( always 10,000 a day plus) that’s really far less than I thought I should be having. I always used to laugh at elderly ladies who picked at food like birds, but I kind of see it - for me the appetite is still there but my head tells me I need way less

I don't agree that all naturally slim people who are not constantly fighting the food noise are the ones who don't care about food and only see it as fuel.
As I mentioned earlier, I know a number of those type of people who have never ever dieted or restricted. They all love food, cooking, eating, fancy restaurants - but they eat and they are then fine. Enjoy food, occasionally eat too much, sure. But - they don't spend the rest of their waking hours thinking about food like I do - what to eat, when to eat, what not to eat so I don't exceed my calorie allowance, feeling guilty if I did etc.
So when I first started MJ and tried to explain the difference to DH he didn't understand what I was saying, because how I feel on WLI sounds just like his normal life.

Then we are saying the same thing. No need to insult me.

This is me too. I’m size 6/8 but think about food constantly. I have to make deals with myself to put off eating. I exercise a lot, I feel guilt after over eating. I definitely have food noise I just give a lot of energy and brain space to quell it! Constant battle.

All the usual bleaters banging on with their opinions about what fat people should do - like they don't know themselves!

@thatsginthough it is amazing isn't it! I was astonished by how much mental headspace food took up. Obviously I wasn't aware of that, until it stopped. Happy days and good luck with your weight loss.

I don’t get food noise and I think I probably am living life on easy mode in that respect.
I do exercise self control but it’s at one level down iyswim: making the effort to make a proper breakfast so I won’t be hungry halfway through the morning when I’m in a place where all I can access is junk, not drinking too much so I don’t wake up with a hangover craving sugar.
I don’t think it’s because I have superior self control though, I think it’s because I live a relatively stress free life with plenty of sleep and time to exercise and cook from scratch. Judging people with tougher lives than mine for self medicating with food or eating junk to get them through long shifts, and assuming my self control is better than theirs, would be ridiculous. It’s possible the genetic lottery has given me less food noise but it’s also possible the general lottery of life has given me an easy ride and that ultimately leads to the quieter food noise.