How easy is it to obtain Mounjaro online if slim?

[TheCalmPinkKoala]

I know this might be controversial but I’m interested to hear people’s options. I have a lot of friends who have managed to get monjaro online despite being slim. They just lie about their weight and height and if asked for photos they stick their tummy out to make them look bigger. I’m intrigued as to how they are going to manage monjaro - one says she is started on 2.5 dosage and then went up to 5mg and is going to stay on that until she loses a stone and then will wean herself off it. She is quite healthy and eats well and exercises but put on a stone and wants to lose it quickly in time for summer. Is this actually realistic? I’m not looking for people to comment saying how unethical it is - I just want to understand it more so I can understand her. Is it really that easy to get monjaro just by doctoring photos and lying about your weight? And is it really ok to take it for a while and then come off it (pressming you change any eating habits so you don’t put the weight back on? I pressume she will have to continue lying to the online pharmacy (she used voy) about her bmi as I’m sure they stop prescribing if your bmi is 22?

That isn't necessarily true. If you go back to your old eating habits you'll eventually put all the weight back on of course, but if you can stick to your new maintenance you have a chance of staying smaller. To lose weight I need to be around 1300, to maintain my goal weight would be around 1700, if I continue calorie tracking I've got a chance. 1700 is much easier to manage than 1300.
The jabs themselves don't cause muscle loss. Rapid weight loss and a lack of strength training do, but that would be the case for any method of weight loss and can be prevented if you plan it right.

You don't sound like a twat at all.

Daughter did it. She put on a lot of weight quickly at university after a break up.
Failed to lose it. Tried and tried but her lifestyle meant she snacked and meals were not planned.
She weighted 10 stone 9 at 5’4”
10 weeks later she now weighs 9 stone 4. She’s stopped snacking, it’s helped her drink less, she’s working out. She’s got another stone to lose but she’s staying at 5mg and doing it gradually.
My doctor friend says that she’s simply ahead of the curve in terms of prescribing. There’s a lot of pearl clutching about medicalising minor weight loss- but really, why not? She’s healthy, eating better, exercising. This has just helped her do something she was struggling, moved her from being overweight to being healthy and probably prevented her getting even fatter.
Weirdly she says it’s also stopped her wanting to vape but I think that isn’t right!

6 months ago I was genuinely obese so I didn’t need to lie but if I wasn’t it would have been laughably easy. All I had to do was upload photo of myself and input my height and weight. There were no checks that the photo wasn’t modified by AI. I didn’t have to photograph or film myself standing on a scale. There was no video call. I actually didn’t think I looked particularly big in the photos I uploaded but they were accepted without questions.

This was with a legit gphc pharmacy, nothing dodgy.

I wonder if they’ve tightened their processes since.

It doesn’t deplete muscle mass if you lift weights and eat sufficient protein. I did monthly bodytrax readings and the weight loss was all fat (and my strength in compound lifts were unchanged). If you have a big deficit and don’t lift you will lose muscle regardless of the method of weight loss.

re: taking it forever. I’m still taking it (very low lose) and I love that I don’t have to use endless willlpower to drown out food noise. I’ve not decided whether I’ll come off it but for now it works for me.

”Ahead of the curve”. Hmm. I don’t agree that a high risk prescription only medication will ever be widely approved for cosmetic weight loss at a healthy weight without there being any other medical issues. Some prescribers may decide they can justify off licence prescribing to people at a healthy weight but I doubt that this could be justified on a widespread basis. There are specific risks to taking this medication, which when weighed against the fact that there is no health benefit at all, then no one should be prescribing it to people who are in the healthy weight range. It’s not “pearl clutching” it’s an analysis of the risk of harm versus the potential health benefits. No health benefits and plenty of potential harm, so no, not something that’s going to be legitimised any time soon.

“No health benefit at all” you know that is strictly not true. Diet is absolutely intrinsic to good health, and this medication is proving to enable people to make healthier choices, in the very least it’s helping them eat less of the bad stuff. That’s before you get into all the other benefits they seem to be discovering around inflammation, addiction etc, I know that’s not an official prescribing criteria (yet) and beyond cosmetic weight loss, but I think we are seeing week by week the potential health benefits to a wide pool of people, the so called high risks do not appear to be materialising at the rates people are stating, so many of the high risks are centred around obese people already being a high risk.

How much harm can the medication possibly do in only a matter of weeks, which is what it took to lose the stone I needed?

It’s not weird that your dd stopped wanting to vape.. I have read that it curbs all addictions, not just food. Amazing!! I just wish my vaping dd was overweight😆

@coocoocachoop I agree that there will continue to be health issues that can be addressed by the use of GLP1s beyond obesity and diabetes. But for people at a healthy weight, the aim would not be to lose weight and the dosage and dosing schedule would potentially be different as a result. It won’t just be a case of anyone can take it and go up to whatever dose they like.

It might not be about losing weight, but it could be about supporting healthier choices for better outcomes. Obesity and diabetes are not the only issues created by poor diet. People with ‘healthy’ BMIs can have poor health outcomes from poor diet. Not expecting the NHS to be funding that of course; but they will indirectly benefit from it.

@cupfinalchaos it will have melted your pancreas and given you giant gallstones….. No, clearly not. I’m not talking about any one individual. The risks are described in terms of 1 in 10, 1 in 100 and so on. So you’d expect that if people in large numbers access this medication for cosmetic weight loss that some of them, in the proportions described in the patient info leaflet, will experience the minor and serious side effects. That’s potential harm, for no medical or health benefits. It’s not what any responsible health authority would think reasonable.

I doubt it would do much physical damage in such a short space of time but I think the risk lies with people with eating disorders.

Tbh it’s very easy. Myself and loads of people I know have got it from online pharmacies. Until recently the one I used never asked for proof such as photos but had started to ask, I didn’t add one, then thought they’d reject my order but it still turned up. Maybe because I was an already an existing customer. I will say that unless you change your diet and up your exercise it’ll not make a big difference. It took a year for me to lose a stone as I did no exercise, didn’t have a lot to lose and could actually out eat the injection. I have been all the way to the top dose. Came off it. Weight crept back on, so I’m back on it and this time making sure I add exercise in. I wfh full time and don’t get much exercise in at all unless I do a workout, hardly any steps etc and it’s easy to snack when you wfh. I find it takes the edge off my appetite and keeps the middle age spread at bay.

The problem is when does it stop?

It’s now not enough for women to be reasonably slim and healthy and to eat well but enjoy your food and maintain a decent weight. Now, we’re in a competition to be in the bottom end of the BMI. It’s not enough to be in the middle or - God forbid - the top. Then what? Anorexic?

And the lady upthread who justified taking WLI at BMI 22 because she apparently had loads of fat on her tummy. No, you didn’t, love.

It’s just a slippery slope for eating disorders and to make money for big pharma because you’ll be shelling out for the rest of your lives because as friends of mine have found, the weight goes back on when you come off the drugs and you get your hunger back.

Expanding about more on what doctor friend meant by “ahead of the curve” - she described it to me as this: the difference between an overweight person at 10.5 stone trying and failing to lose weight and an obese person at 16 stone trying and failing to lose weight is often just time. Overweight people usually don’t stay just overweight- lots put even more weight on. What DD did was early intervention- before the stress in her joints, the skin stretching that won’t ping back, before the issues with cholesterol or diabetes- she had a problem, solved the problem and got her eating under control.

She was officially overweight- not obese, but too fat for her height. She isn’t now. She’s also done more exercise, less drinking and has been forced to be
more mindful about her food as she’s eating less contrived to make it count.

She only went as high as 5mg, did it slowly, changed her habits and it’s been exactly what was needed. The BMI over 27 thing just seems so arbitrary.

The risks for pancreatitis and gallstones are risks of rapid weight loss. They're not related to the drugs themselves. That's why they are also seen in patients who have bariatric surgery.
For people who start smaller and have less to lose, they won't be losing weight at the rate for that to be a risk.
Remember one of these drugs is used by thousands of people for diabetes, and have been used widespread in the US for years. They're not having gallstone pandemics.

If you have a “fat tummy” with a BMI of 22 it likely means you are under muscled. My BMI is 23.5 and I have a totally flat stomach with a visible 6 pack. I estimate my body fat is around 18%.

On balance from everything I have read the biggest risk of slim people taking WLI is sarcopenia. Eating less, especially for those not lifting is likely to lead to muscle loss, which happens anyway, but this will accelerate.

I found it easy to get even thought my BMI wasn’t high enough. (I was objectively fat though) I just knocked a couple of inches of my height and gave the scales a helping hand.

I’ve kept the weight off for at least a year (I can’t remember when I stopped) and I lost no muscle. In fact, I have gained it. The feeling of being g full very quickly has stayed with me, which has been an unexpected benefit.

@rougheredges the BMI requirement of 27 is with a weight related health condition, or for certain ethnicities that’s where obese starts from. Otherwise it’s a BMI of 30. The decision the MHRA was looking at was where the benefits clearly outweigh any potential harms. The evidence showed that having a BMI of 30 or 27 as per mentioned above was that point. It wasn’t arbitrary or decided out of nowhere, it was considered and discussed in detail before these medications were authorised for prescription.

@Proteinpudding when used for diabetes, the risk/benefit equation is different as you are balancing the significant risks of T2 diabetes against the potential risks of GLP1s. The dosing schedule is also different with the dose being kept as low as possible with blood sugars being controlled. If people lose weight consistently whilst taking them even at the lowest dose then use would be discontinued. It would also be discontinued if the person experienced ongoing side effects that they found difficult, or if any of the rarer side effects were experienced. Some people who take it for T2 diabetes will get the serious side effects as shown by the various studies done before these medications were approved for use with T2 diabetic patients. There won’t be a pandemic of gallstones, as it’s a rare side effect but there will be a small percentage. Which is worth the risk due to the potential benefits of treating the T2 diabetes effectively.

So sick of hearing this. It’s garbage from people who haven’t even tried it.

I came off December 2024 and I’m half a stone lighter than when I stopped.

Not quite as simple as that. My “fat tummy” is a hangover from three giant babies, c-sections and loose skin. It’s not going anywhere without surgery.

MJ won’t help though. I was referring to someone who wanted to take WLI to deal with a “fat tummy”.