The teacher who is so disgusted at the behaviour of your class ...

[justlikekatycarr]

Seriously, how do you deal with them?

The teachers who are DISGUSTED at the noise levels. The work rate is APPALLING. They haven't got some pointless sheet at the front of their books, the date isn't underlined and on and on.

Obviously, it clearly isn't aimed at the kids at all but how do you politely tell them to fuck off, they aren't helpful ...

Eh?

Noise levels are a priority. I don't give a flying rat's ass about active learning, no one is learning when Y7 are all screeching at each other.

Ditto work rate and presentation.

You seem to have a chip on your shoulder, but those teachers seem to high high standards to me...

If that's from moderation and observations I would take it on board and improve it tbh. Ditto if it is a case of another teacher being able to hear the noise from your class in their own.

The last one is irksome but if the first two are being mentioned then ought you to consider that behaviour is affecting progress..?

Wouldn't have thought so! I just mean when a teacher decides to descend upon your classroom.

What do you mean by "your" classroom?

Are you a student being descended upon? Or a teacher who is interrupted by another teacher?

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Do you mean the words being used for what is really minor infractions? (Not minor but not those dramatic words)

I'd appreciate the feedback and do something to act upon it. All of that sounds fairly reasonable to me. Work rate, presentation of books and noise level are all important. Who are these teachers? Are they senior in the school or have roles of responsibility in the department? If so they are just doing their job surely?

OP if you teach the way you write, no wonder the work rate is appalling.

If someone comes into your class and the noise is appalling, you ought to be mortified.

Is it honestly just me then, who from time to time has a teacher with nothing to do with you or your work, deciding to come in and reprimand your class for, well, nothing?

I've known a few! I must be unlucky! I take my hat off to whoever welcomes the feedback - I certainly don't. It's pretty undermining in fact.

Boiled, blimey, that must be it. It's my writing, that's the problem.

Okaaaay.

So other teachers randomly come and check your work and moan about (what seems to be) the behaviour of your class while you're in it?

If it were happening to me, I'd be looking for ways to keep things better controlled tbh.

How are they checking the books?

You're going to have to give us some more detail.

No, a teacheR.

I genuinely thought you would know what I mean. I apologise if I was not clear (!)

I am not talking about a class running riot.

I am talking about when things are a tiny bit chatty, maybe due to moving classrooms, or even a noisyish activity and someone decides to 'establish their authority' by screeching at a previously calm and happy class.

They check the books by establishing their authority by picking up a book, and berating the child with it.

I suppose I'm talking about a form of bullying, if we're going to be frank about it.

It's not 'nothing' if there's a list of things they're complaining about.

If my class were being so unruly that another teacher felt they had to come in and reprimand them, I would be apologising to that teacher.

Was this an observation or part of your appraisal? Or a teacher who was trying to work with a class next door?

Are they SLT? Is this the policy at your school? If not, I'd be mentioning it to SLT.

I'm struggling hete. Are you a teacher with a different teacjet coming in and criticising you?

Oh bloody typos.

Your posts are very confusing.
Which is odd as teachers are usually good at clarity.

The only time I've ever gone into somebody else's class and told kids off (without there being an agreement with the teacher/the class teacher has called for support) is when the class has been so much noise or disruption that it's affecting classes on either side or the corridor. And then absolutely i'm going in. Otherwise the kids get a message that some staff are worth working for and others arent.

The kind of thing you mention is fairly standard expectations in most places I've worked. Neat books, set presentation, decent behaviour, reasonable amount of work.

Maybe I sound awful but if that kind of thing is happening a lot then maybe you do need to step up expectations.

It seems they don't think much of your behaviour management then. Or your ability to keep on top of presentation in your pupils' books. Speak to SLT, although they may already be aware.

Vintage I'm not being difficult, but I have. Without writing a script, I can't explain. Or would you like me too?

Me - OK, everyone, so - no, Sam, I'm not opening the window. Stop complaining about the heat! We will -
Other Teachef (OT) - (carefully appalled tone) 'Mrs Carr, I'm just coming to see if everything is all right, as I was passing and heard raised voices!' (Class shrink back in their seats) That is NOT what we expect in this school is it?
Me - 'Thank you, Miss OT, we are just -'
OT - (grabs book from desk) 'Is this ALL you have done today?'
Me - 'well, in fact, Miss OT, they just got back from the library five minutes ago, so -'
OT - 'AND you haven't underlined the date! That is NOT GOOD ENOUGH! Is it?'
Bemused Kid - 'nooo...'
OT - 'If ANYONE gives you any more hassle, Mrs Carr, I am just there!' 'and I expect an improvement!'
Bemused Kids - yeeesss miiiiissss
OT spins round and walks off. Bemused Kids stare at me, momentarily befuddled then promptly become irate. I am trying to hush several 'we weren't even DOIN nuffinks' (anything, you weren't doing ANYTHING) 'who even IS she' 'miss can I have a ruler, I've not underlined the date neither!'

Now there's fuss and noise and kerfuffle in the room that WASN'T there in the first place!

Thanks, Miss Other Teachef

(And if any of you reckon you'd welcome that, you're liars!)

Why are they coming in? Are they carrying out learning walks? Are they walking past and just shocked by the noise? Are they teaching or working next door and being disturbed? I don't know any teachers that have so many free periods that they wander around the school looking for classes to barge into and berate in their spare time. I've gone into classes opposite my subject office and given them a ticking off when they are disturbing me and their teachers aren't able to get them to be quiet, in years gone by I've had other teachers do the same with my louder classes and appreciated the back-up tbh. Does the kids no harm to learn a bit of consideration for others.

Are you confusing the fact that teacher may be trying to help you, by pointing out to noisy child/ren the poor quality of their work due to fact they appear that they aren't concentrating?

Maybe teacher thinks you're struggling with behaviour and is trying (albeit clumsily) to help you?

That said a noisy class nearby when I'm trying to teach is ruddy irritating.