The teacher who is so disgusted at the behaviour of your class ...

[justlikekatycarr]

Seriously, how do you deal with them?

The teachers who are DISGUSTED at the noise levels. The work rate is APPALLING. They haven't got some pointless sheet at the front of their books, the date isn't underlined and on and on.

Obviously, it clearly isn't aimed at the kids at all but how do you politely tell them to fuck off, they aren't helpful ...

I never get anyone from SLT in. Ever. Sometimes, as with the She Is Looking At Me, I really wish I did!

Like I say Maisy, I think some of you have decided quite early on I am the problem and are looking for things to support that.

In that situation that's the whole point. It's very undermining and rude to bad mouth another teacher, so I don't do it. But it's been done to me. Repeatedly.

'absolute barney'
'innocent (ish)'

Oh dear.

Have you read any Tom Bennett, OP? I think you may find him helpful.

Maybe she is trying to help you to avoid the 'absolute barney'.

Or get them settled early on to give you a chance.

Oh, dear.

You know, I do (honestly) know the difference between a fussy class settling and a chaotic out of control classroom.

I am not perfect, who is, but I am well qualified. I have been teaching for thirteen years, I have been a head of department and a second in department, worked in SEN, done, by all accounts, a pretty good job.

And I am currently being treated like shit on a shoe, it's making me very unhappy and because I am a nice sort of person who likes to get along with people and for there not to be bad feeling, I've got this awkward situation with someone and don't know how to manage it.

I'm low down the pecking order due to my being a recent arrival. It's a complicated situation but I'm 'on loan' to the school (federation) so don't know anyone there and am going back to my old place after Easter (thank Christ!) but I just want this undermining to stop, for the last six weeks or so anyway!

And the 'absolute barney' was dealt with by calling for SLT who didn't come

Unless you think the best way to deal with vulnerable students with special needs is to start screaming at them?

You have 2 choices then. Speak to her directly or speak to SLT.

justlikekatycarr
It's more that there are very few teachers I've worked with that have time to wander around looking for issues to pounce on. I say that as someone with tiemtabled learning walks/call lessons.

I worked with one bitch once. They were a really nasty spiteful piece of work but so far beyond a poorly timed attempt at help.

However clumsily this person has come in, i'm not picking up on any mallice.

It possibly isn't maliciousness, but things can be very difficult and make you very unhappy without necessarily being malicious.

I sympathise, OP, sometimes we all have to let off steam. I have a similar colleague who'll waft in when there's chatting (during a group activity - it's meant to be a bit noisy), or if she hears me chastise even a little bit. (creating a backlash). The best one was when during a test she came in and started ranting about presentation, causing 10+ children to get up and sharpen pencils during a timed test

I reckon I'm a good teacher and you are too, and it can feel undermining and patronising. I'll assume you know you have things to work on, as we all do! Good like with OT! Not long now!

Do you feel you could speak to her about it? Find out exactly why she is coming into your class and attempting to make sure the basics of settling down, LOs in books etc are done calmly and quietly?

You need to speak to her, your HOD or someone on SLT.
It really ia impossible for anyone here to know if your expectations arent high enough or if she's on a bizzare power trip.

Your HOD or a member of SLT should be able to adjudicate.

I have seen this happen loads of times, mainly when I was at school myself.

It used to be when a class was in uproar, say when the teacher hadn't turned up, and another would hear the noise and come in to take over. Or when a new teacher clearly wasn't coping.

But can also be done in a PA way - "I heard such a lot of noise I thought there must be a problem" yeah right.

Honey I can tell it's been a bad day as the fact someone has understood what I mean has made me feel so grateful I feel like crying! I think I'm ready for half term.

Saucery, she will claim she is trying to help. As I suspect we all know, she's actually trying to establish herself, to make herself look good.

I don't want to get in a big argument about it, but the snide comments and unpleasant remarks I have been firefighting from you and from Boiled would veer close to bullying had you done them in real life.

Indeed, Balloon

We've all thought sometimes 'shit, is there a class unaccompanied!' and arrived to find a poor cowering teacher amongst a Lord of the Flies-esque scene, but you deal with it tactfully then, not in a way that's actually taking a swipe at the teacher.

I think your last post might explain a lot. If you have been drafted in from another school , maybe as a firefighter, then it is possible that there is a bit of resentment lurking. Who did you replace, and why (you don't have to answer that!) . Maybe a few noses have been put out of joint and the general consensus is that "they" ie senior management , have brought you in to show the rest of your colleagues up and they are not happy about it.

BalloonSlayer It's always a tough one. In situations where colleagues and I have an agreement on tricky groups it's always about focusing on students and their choices. Not on anything that undermines the class teacher.

Nah, I'm no firefighter, just responded to a panicked plea from the headteacher (an old friend of sorts) who is now off ill himself! Ah the delights of modern teaching!

If I felt better established at the school, I would have no qualms about saying politely and firmly 'you know, you may feel you are being helpful, but in fact you really are not.' As it is I fear even a polite 'back off' would bring the wrath of the entire department down on my head.

Sorry, it was your last post when I started typing.......... The one where you said you had been brought in temporarily.

People can get very wary and defensive if things are being imposed on them without due explanation.

What's even worse than that though are the teachers who come in at the start of your lesson to self importantly tell one of your class they have a detention for XYZ, leaving Sam and Ryan spluttering and squawking in outrage while the teacher swans out leaving you with an enraged child!

I've advised you to speak to the perpetrator, speak to your SLT and suggested a decent behaviour management book used by hundreds of teachers and recommended by TES.
Think your Bullying Radar might need recalibration.

Oh, I know. I don't think she is though. I don't think she's a horrible evil devil incarnate sort. I think it's lack of security. She passed her NQT year last year so it's probably an element of establishing herself in the school. I mean, let's face it, we all like it when a class go quiet when you walk in! But lord above, quit yelling at kids who, for once, are quite right when they say they didn't do anything!

Oh pull the other one Saucery, you didn't mean the Tom Bennett as genuine helpful advice any more than my teacher is actually trying to help. You were taking a side swipe, and well you know it.

I would sympathise for your misfortune with your weird colleague, except for your phrase
"I've known a few! I must be unlucky!"

Given that all the other teachers on the thread seem to think this is pretty unusual behaviour on your colleague's part and you keep on coming across teachers like this then it does start to sound like either you're really really unlucky or it's you.