The teacher who is so disgusted at the behaviour of your class ...

[justlikekatycarr]

Seriously, how do you deal with them?

The teachers who are DISGUSTED at the noise levels. The work rate is APPALLING. They haven't got some pointless sheet at the front of their books, the date isn't underlined and on and on.

Obviously, it clearly isn't aimed at the kids at all but how do you politely tell them to fuck off, they aren't helpful ...

[justlikekatycarr]

Maybe I'm a bit annoyed leccy which is odd as teachers never have anything to be annoyed about :)

[justlikekatycarr]

And I know I did a typo - Teachef is clearly teacher. My iPad has decided Teachef is a word!

[Saucery]

I wouldn't welcome it, but I would certainly make sure it didn't keep happening, by applying school behaviour standards.

[Boiled7Up]

'noisyish'

OP they must have been running riot.

[PurpleDaisies]

Who is this other teacher? Are they your superior?

[justlikekatycarr]

Saucery, what I'm trying to explain is that either kids are doing nothing wrong (or 'we ain't doin nuffink!') or on the rare occasion they ARE doing 'summat' I'm on it, I'm dealing with it.

Barging in and having a go at the kids just undermines me and makes me like like an idiot.

In my experience it's generally a 'I am considerably better at managing kids than yow' to paraphrase the Harry Enfield sketch and stems from insecurity but it's really irritating.

[justlikekatycarr]

No, they are not my superior. RQT throwing her weight around. No, boiled, they were sitting down, getting their pens out and writing down the date.

[PurpleDaisies]

What's an RQT?

[RevealTheHiddenBeach]

I'd be incredibly pissed off by this because it undermines your authority as a teacher, and implies that you cannot control them and so need help to keep them 'in order'. I would speak to your line manager about it, because that kind of thing needs to be nipped in the bud.

[justlikekatycarr]

Recently qualified teacher :) teaching really is the land of endless acronyms!

[Saucery]

But if they didn't need managing she wouldn't have a reason to come in. Don't get me wrong, I think she is going about it incorrectly, but your behaviour standards obviously differ from her own and if she can hear your Class she can hear them iyswim.

[justlikekatycarr]

Yes, quite Reveal, this is exactly the issue I'm having!

[VintagePerfumista]

Thought it was NQT.

[Saucery]

Go to SLT, with a brief diary of when she has done this, ask if they have any concerns about how you manage your class and if they can help to resolve the interruptions.

[Boiled7Up]

Really?! A recently qualified teacher came into your silent classroom and reprimanded you?

How qualified are you?

[PurpleDaisies]

I teach. I've never heard of it.

Are you in the U.K.?

[viques]

Are you fairly new to the school? Is there a school policy on how children should be taught to present their work, maybe someone has mentioned to Miss Ot that they have noticed that your class don't underline the date as agreed in Section 3 paragraph 2 of the School Work Presentation policy 2015 and she has chosen this awkward way of informing you.

[EvilTwins]

My classroom is always noisy (I teach drama) but I would not be thanking a colleague who felt the need to come and tell me. Surely the better solution is to speak to the class teacher to see if everything is alright or if assistance is needed. Undermining colleagues is not ok.

[justlikekatycarr]

Saucery, do you honestly think from what I've described she comes in because they 'need managing' or because she wants an opportunity to show how fabulous she is and how shit I am?

Honestly?

It's the latter. My classes are NOT perfect. I have several "characters" and I have some harmless but irritating feckers mostly my form but trust me, she will throw her weight around whenever.

It's always the same lessons when I'm in a particular room. I tell a kid off, no matter how mildly (and who of us go through a lesson NEVER saying shush, stop talking, leave that alone, pens down, I said pens DOWN, no, it's not water, put it away, yes I know it has water in it but you're still not having it, have you got your phone out, oh really, you're just glowing are you) and in comes Miss Other Teachef Teacher.

Fuck. Off. Miss. Other. Teacher. You. Are. Not. Helping!

[DumbledoresApprentice]

Unless she's sitting outside your classroom door waiting to pounce or wandering the corridors looking for classes to tell off then your class are obviously disturbing her whilst she is either teaching or working. I don't expect complete silence in my classes but would be pissed off if there was a lot of noise next door.

[VintagePerfumista]

Presuming she has no mental health issues that make her randomly walk into classrooms and accuse children of doing things they are not actually doing, then rather than ranting about how she is undermining you I'd be looking at ways to improve my classroom management.

I've been teaching for 23 yrs and we all have those classes, those hours, those moments when all hell breaks loose. About 4 yrs ago I had a class of teens who were quicksilver bright, but so bloody unruly. The deputy head (who was also their form tutor) used to stand outside with the door open and poke her head round and give an "oi" if things were getting out of hand. And I hold my hand up, and say that yes, even after 19 or so years, there were days when they got the better of me. Did I feel mortified that the DH had to stand outside to keep order? You bet. What did I do about it? I worked on my own classroom management strategies.

[justlikekatycarr]

Boiled, well I haven't made the thread up! I'm fairly well qualified as it happens but newish to the school.

Evil, yes, I teach 50% SEN and it can go from 0 to 1000 in a spate of approximately 3 seconds! We had an absolute barney on Friday because a girl was looking at somebody. Not hitting, not punching. Looking!

But those are not the lessons Miss Other Teacher comes barging into, probably because she knows Jayden from Year 11 would tell her to fuck off. It's always innocent(ish!) years 7s or 8s.

[Saucery]

Show to who though? You, continuously? It's a rare teacher who has the time or inclination to go into other classes when they have their own. Maybe she is one of those rare teachers.

Be prepared for SLT to take an interest in your classroom management however. If they agree it is effective I am sure they will tell her to wind her neck in.

[justlikekatycarr]

Dumbledore, yes, because she sits outside my classroom (there's another very small classroom/office there.)

Obviously I'm not going to tell her not to go there but I'm not going to conduct the entire lesson in hushed voices to stop her springing in.

I get some of you are firmly convinced my classes are running riot, and that I cannot teach, manage behaviour or get kids to undermine dates.

If - IF that were the case, she would really be better off having a word with someone from senior management. Because all she's doing in that hypothetical situation is undermining my authority and therefore exacerbating the problem, if we assume there is a problem in the first place.

[MaisyPops]

OT spins round and walks off. Bemused Kids stare at me, momentarily befuddled then promptly become irate. I am trying to hush several 'we weren't even DOIN nuffinks' (anything, you weren't doing ANYTHING) 'who even IS she' 'miss can I have a ruler, I've not underlined the date neither!'

Aka. As kids we were know we haven't met expectations (&are fussing about the window/temperature as a work avoidance strategy) but we'll just try to gauge our own teacher's reaction to see whether they'll hold us to the standards that other staff do. Better still we'll be rude about the other teacher and see if our teacher allows it. If our teacher says 'never mind' and moves on then we have a green light to continue doing little work and messing on.