The teacher who is so disgusted at the behaviour of your class ...

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Seriously, how do you deal with them?

The teachers who are DISGUSTED at the noise levels. The work rate is APPALLING. They haven't got some pointless sheet at the front of their books, the date isn't underlined and on and on.

Obviously, it clearly isn't aimed at the kids at all but how do you politely tell them to fuck off, they aren't helpful ...

Well, I was side swiping myself then, as I've got it and found it very helpful at times.

Oh dear

Have you read any Tom Bennett, OP? I think you may find him helpful

Aye, you back out as slowly as you want out of the thread.

If you'd made the above comment in a genuine way, wanting to help, you wouldn't have prefixed it with an 'oh dear.'

As you know :)

Ok, firstly I'm not a teacher.

But in my job if a colleague came in my room (I'm a midwife) uninvited and started interfering when not needed I would get her at a later time and politely ask her not to.

So you could point out to this colleague that her action undermines your authority in front of the kids and you would prefer that she didn't repeat this.

PossumInAPearTree
The issue will be is that if a class is being unsettled etc then its totally reasonable for a colleague in schools to do something like that.
I can recall one lesson where a particularly challenging student was trying to instigate all sorts and I'd just about dealt with it and was on the calming down phase. A colleague stuck his head around and said 'miss maisy, its clear that most of the people in here are keen to learn I cant help but hear peter making such a silly fuss. Im free and would be happy to take him if he contines to hols up your lesson'. I took it as nothing but supportive. It showed the couple of fussy ones who were trying to stir drama that all staff are on the same side.

Op, I honestly had no idea what you were on about from your first post. It didn't say what you did, what the situation was, or what actually happened. I think if it had, you would have got different responses.

Maybe there's a communication problem between you and the other teacher? If things were as you said in subsequent posts, then the other teacher was over-reacting and I'd have a word with her and ask her never to do it again. But maybe your class was making more noise than you thought? And that's why she i tervened? Totally unacceptable to start going on about dates not being underlined, though; that's irrelevant.

What if, as a midwife you had (to your colleague) clearly lost control of the situation? Would it be OK then?

I agree with Saucery about the "bullying". Teachers, of all people, should know the definition does not include people disagreeing with you on an internet forum, and to cry bully when that happens is actually pretty despicable and does no service to the thousands of children who really are being bullied.

I'm also leaving you to it.

OP I'll say it for you. She's an absolute cow. I can actually picture her waiting for the noise to start. Some teachers love to get one over on others. It sounds as if you've got the 'difficult' kids. You're new and she's trying to put herself above you in the pecking order.

Hmmm, I guess maybe midwifery is a bad example because from outside the room sometimes it can sound awful but actually everything in the room is ok. But if I was outside and I was worried I wouldn't go walking in, I would tap on the door and ask my colleague discreetly if she was ok.

It's not disagreeing I have a problem with. When disagreeing is done in a snide and sarcastic way, then yes, that veers towards bullying, or would had it been done in real life.

Aye, derxa, that's the gist really!

Plus, the fact is that there aren't problems.

She is conspicuously absent when there actually IS a problem: chatty year 7s are fair game, year 10s telling each other to fuck off, not so much!

I know dd says it's happened in one of her lessons before now. She said it was chaos in the classroom and another teacher burst in and screamed at the class.

Speaking to her doesn't have to mean directly challenging her behaviour. I would go with something like "thanks for popping into 8C the other day/this morning. They can be such buggers, can't they? Have you taught them before, any ideas that worked well?"
Then she knows you've noticed her behaviour and you've given her a chance to make any genuine suggestions.

If she keeps visiting then I would bite the bullet and say that as a new member of staff her behaviour is undermining.

I do know what you mean Blue but in all honesty I think that would give her an inflated sense of her own importance.

PossumInAPearTree
There are situations where it's entirely appropriate.
Thinking back to my lesson it wasnt chaos, just a bit more fussy than usual. No shouting required just a daft passive agressive teacher chat between me and my colleague about children who like to fuss. 😂

(And this next comment is not related to the OP) Sometimes, there are staff who have different expectations of what ok behaviour is. It's much easier to support someone who accepts help than those who deny there is an issue/suggest its just low level.

I think @GallivantingWildebeest has it spot on. Your opening post was confusing and the replies you've got might have been different if you'd explained better.

Having said that, you're clearly quite emotional about it, which explains the posting style.

Honestly, if there really are no issues in your classroom I think you need to talk to your hod or line manager and make the interruptions stop.

Teachers supporting each other = great
Teachers storming into other rooms to interfere = terrible

Do think really carefully about how you explain the problem though - you'll need to be clearer than you were here

You're right, it might but sometimes you have to play the game. If she's smart she will read between the lines.

Surely we all did/said/thought things as NQT+1/2s that we regret now? I have no doubt she will look back and cringe.

OP, I just came on to say despite all the flak you've had on here, I know precisely what you mean.
Perhaps repay her the favour by "helping" with her noisy classes when you've a free? We're all in it together, don't you know?

If you find it unhelpful and think it's unwarranted then I'd raise it with her or her line manager. Just say that you appreciate her trying to help but it's actually having the opposite effect and you'd prefer she didn't. People occasionally do this in my school when classes are very loud but if that isn't the case and it's just a little bit of fussing then she needs to be told to butt out.

I'm shattered, ATruth :)

I'm about ready for half term, I think.

Thanks, bruce, I think a few knew what I meant but 'annoy the OP' is a well established MN game!

Can you explain your 'colleague's' class/work? How is she able to leave a class and come into yours?

She's either free or teaching in an interconnected classroom.

Could you try breezily smiling and saying "Thanks Miss, we're fine here. We've had a room-change and are just getting settled. Bruce is just asking a question and Deborah hasn't had time to finish writing the date yet. I'd let you know if I needed you." And then just go back to teaching your lesson/ignoring her.

That's pretty much how I have been dealing with it, but she Does Not Take The Hint!

I'm shattered... I'm about ready for half term, I think.

Now THAT I can understand!

I love @bruce's idea!