Do you believe Charles Spencer about Charles Windsor's reported remark?

[OneLilacHedgehog]

Do you believe Charles Spencer that Charles Windsor said to him during a phone call "we'll forget her soon enough."

I'm not sure I believe either of them. I expect the truth lies somewhere in between and I'm sure things were said at the time that shouldn't have been. But that's what happens in those kind of circumstances. I'm sure there was a lot of blame going around.
I think CS is just after selling his book and making some money. He's obviously bitter but he's not exactly a model of how to treat your wife himself. I've always thought he was a very dislikable man.
I'm also not a fan of KC. He's been caught off guard before being a spoilt adult brat and I'm sure there is more of that behaviour in private. I do find it hard to believe that he'd actually be 'gleeful' about Diana's death though which is something that CS claims. That whole scenario just doesn't ring true at all. You'd have to be a complete sociopath to spend the morning telling your sons their mother just died then ring their uncle to gloat. I don't believe that happened for a minute.

Her sister did say this, and likely wanted to believe it, but Diana was the most photographed and videoed woman in the world - there is loads of evidence of her not wearing a seatbelt in a car.

There was also a good reason why she wasn’t wearing a seatbelt on the night she died - she had twisted in her seat so her back was to the window, so “spoil” any paparazzi shots as they drove off from the rear of the Ritz.

That's quite a specific claim, goes well beyond just saying someone sounds intelligent, and based on a rather narrow set of evidence. Which interviews?

Exactly, he’s a grifter who is shamelessly peddling his family drama for money. Straight out of the Harry school of victimhood and nonsense.

This guy has spent years trading off his sister’s death, what a snake.

As for why now? He’s got his third divorce to pay for…

Agree its for the money - after all Spencer must pay for that new hair, and those teeth!

I've heard him also. He's quite good at appearing intelligent, but there's no substance to it.

In addition, his marital and parental history demonstrates that he has no emotional intelligence.

Spencer is a despicable little man - full of his own importance. I don't believe that King Charles would ever have said anything like this. Spencer has twisted his words and likely has had plenty of encouragement from Harry (two peas in a pod).

When you're in grief you can mishear things. God knows whether he said it or not. But he might have been talking about the fickle UK press, i.e. in the headlines non stop for days and then gone when the next big news comes in.

Thank you - that image is so tragic, isn't it?

I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Charles probably did say something a bit clumsy, but he was in shock too and facing up to the reality that his sons had lost their mother. Perhaps he meant the press would forget about it and leave everyone alone after the funeral, in a hopeful way.

Never believe anyone with a book to sell!

I'd say it involves putting well chosen words together in a certain order to make coherent points. And my ears hearing it, and brain processing said argument and recognising its quality. It doesn't involve a battery of tests in a monkey cage.

That’s a good point actually, there may have been an offhand comment such as that. I don’t believe that something nasty and vindictive was said, which is what is being claimed by Charles Spencer.

I wasnt talking about his emotional intelligence.

Having been through multiple family bereavements that have been both devastating and destructive i can see that Charles Spencer may have believed that Prince Charles said such a thing.
Prince Charles is likely to have said something that upset and offended , this would have been pretty much unavoidable under the circumstances.

I don't think it was said as Charles Spencer recollects.
Memory is not photographic at the best of times. Acute stress and grief has the potential to further distort and colour what is recalled.
What I don't have alot of sympathy for is Charles Spencer seeking to further profit by another book under the circumstances. But I suppose needs must in some way for him financially and / or in other ways.

It is. I find the whole chronology so tragic, with so many sliding doors moment when one small decision could have meant Diana would still be alive now.

I was thinking the same. An avoidable tragedy.

No. I think he’s old and has convinced himself that this is what he remembers. She’s gone, half of the uk never even knew her as they are too young. It’s water under the bridge. I wonder if he needs the money and that’s why he’s done this. ?

Mmm there was also a lot of strange manipulations around those stories though.

Abd the timing of them is particularly suspicious.

Dr Hasnat Khan gave one interview I believe after Diana’s death in which he described her as a very normal, down-to-earth person with great qualities and a vulnerable nature, and he said that that media attention and public scrutiny were the main reasons their two-year relationship ended and he dismissed the more unpleasant rumours surrounding their relationship as “unpleasant gossip”.

As for the Oliver Hoare episode an article was published in Australia by a freelance writer, Daniela Elser,
which was titled
‘Leaked calls that nearly destroyed Diana’
for News.com.au in which she wrote,

“On the pages of Britain’s biggest tabloids, editorials asked such questions as, “Is the Princess of Wales going mad?” and postulated, “She’s a hysterical woman clearly teetering on the edge of a nervous breakdown.”

Or, as Brown has put it: “The net result was that the radiant Diana of the Serpentine was rendered as a nut case who preyed on other women’s husbands.”

All of which mattered, hugely.

Public perception was key to both Diana and Charles as they battled it out for the hearts and minds of the British people. Suddenly, Charles started looking like a more sympathetic creature, having to put up with this woman who was being portrayed as mad and just a bit bad.

Both Diana and Charles fought hard to win over the public’s perception following the incident.

While the pendulum would swing the other way, it was still a deeply embarrassing situation which severely tainted Diana’s reputation. While she had been outed as cheating before, this was the first time she had been so clearly linked to a married man.

Still, there are some strange, unanswered questions about the whole imbroglio.

Patrick Jephson was Diana’s trusted private secretary at the time. He says that when the story broke, “I asked a contact in the Royalty and Diplomatic Protection Group if there had been such an investigation and if there was a printout of the calls made.

“The answer was ‘yes’ to both questions.” However, within 24 hours the printout was missing.”

It’s worth hearing in mind that Patrick Jephson, who worked with Diana as her private secretary for over seven years and travelled with her to five continents, has unswervingly maintained that although Diana was an exacting boss, and could be difficult, that she was also mentally robust, energetic and professional, down to earth and organised during that time; and wrote in his book;

“It’s not the palace…but advisors to Prince Charles, who over many years have crafted a systematic, sustained and expensive campaign to rehabilitate Camilla’s reputation and make her suitable to be the next Queen,”

Jephson want on to say,

“This is linked, of course, to a pretty vile campaign to publicise a bogus psychiatric diagnosis that Princess Diana had a personality disorder.”

“This may have cost the Prince a lot of money, paying for PR spin doctors”

“I think it also raises ethical question marks over the methods they (Prince Charles’ PR representatives) have used.”

I remember the atmosphere during the period between Diana's death and her funeral was really odd, with people being prepared to attack others physically if they dared to suggest they weren't grieving deeply, and publicly saying things like "I'm more upset about Diana than I was about the death of my mother". But after the funeral it was like that had been a catharsis - everyone took a deep breath, and went back to normal.

So if this conversation happened at all, I suspect it was along the lines that Charles expected the mass hysteria around Diana's death to die down, in which he was absolutely right. Spencer has chosen to twist it for his own purposes.

I was wondering this too🤔 it wouldn’t surprise me if HaM had a hand in this.
Strange book is coming out just as HaM return to the Uk

Charles Spencer is saying anything to get attention and sell his book. Even his sisters dont speak to him, apparently. He is hardly a reliable source of historical comment.

Of course it wasnt said, no matter how much Charles Spencer blamed others for his sisters death, and no doubt waa angry with grief and lashing out. Its ridiculous to think so. Its a deliberate slur for his own gain.

Sorry to quote my own post but I wanted to add that it is in reply to the following:

HollyhocksandPeons · Today 09: 50
I don't believe it. Charles looked genuinely gutted and I thought he was devastated because even if he did not love her, he realised that she would become a martyr in the public eye and had she stayed alive, she would have continued embarrassing herself with her behaviour - dodgy boyfriends, stalking people physically (Dr Khan) and by the phone (Hoare), etc.etc. and the public would have started disliking her. I remember that Private Eye already started the campaign - on the cover there was Diana observing Khan's operation or somebody else's operation, you could only see her eyes above the mask and a bit of hair and the caption said 'This child is very sick. Yes, it makes two of us'.

This just reminded me of how my Mum sounded giddy and elated when she told me that my father had died. She hated him to bits and I was estranged from him, but he was still my dad and I loved him. I’ve literally never forgotten how happy she sounded, like it was the latest gossip.

Obviously you'll have some way of distinguishing between someone who just sounds intelligent and someone who is. So if you're going to be assuring us on here that he's intelligent, you'll be able to explain what that is and link to the interviews.

CS is not telling the truth. I think his memory is faulty. He has a lot to gain from the publicity about all this. Diana has been dead for about 30 years and CS is obviously still bitter. We all have situations we are in turmoil about but don't necessarily publicise it. As far as I can see it's all about money for CS and the Daily Mail.